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 ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-04-30 13:19 How far would you go to get a good shot?
When working with an underage model, what would you do? Like if she wanted to do
intended nude?
Or have a belt covering her breasts/nipples?
Would you still do it? Would your morals kick in or would the laws?Howdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me  |
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 ID: 189228 Posts: 294 | Date: 2007-04-30 14:32 Were I interested in such a thing, and put in said position. No I would have no
desire in doing shots of a youngin in anything but age appropriate clothing.
As far as doing anything for the right shot. I've come out cut and bruised on
more then one occasion and almost had my leg broken once.Everything I've done, and all that I have yet to do, is only to forget the meaning of your name. |
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ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-04-30 14:36 Yeh thats like me, but from alot I have seen there are alot of photographers
that seem to not care if they get into trouble or not 
Oh my god deary  thankfully you didnt break it!Howdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me |
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 ID: 183878 Posts: 1184 | Date: 2007-04-30 21:24 When I was younger and stupider (or, at least, more naive) a very long time ago
when the power was in the flower and everybody was running around naked, I took
some nude shots of teenage girls. I gave them a copy and tucked mine away
somewhere, but they probably got lost in the shuffle of marriages.
As I recall, my great nod to morality was I kept my hands to myself. They wanted
the pictures and I was happy to take them, but I knew I could never exhibit
them. It was a happy day for me when my favorite turned 18 and I could shoot
something I could hang at a show. I was into art at the time and, although I
looked at Playboy, my nudes were patterned after the classics, like Botticelli's
Birth of Venus.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1748 | Date: 2007-04-30 21:29 If I were working with a pre-adult model and she suddenly asked me to photograph
her nude, my first response would be to ask loudly: "Are you crazy?" Then, after
calming down, I would ask why he or she feels the need for nude pics. Perhaps I
could talk her back to the reasoned light of day.
First off, for clarification, I live in the United States of America where it is
legal to photograph or film anyone of any age without their clothing on so long
as the image cannot be interpreted at sexually suggestive. Ironic to your
question, is that a pre-adult can be dressed head to toe and an image can be
construed as sexually suggestive with a minor and subject you to criminal
charges.
Well, back to our interpid model busy tossing clothng to the nether regions of
my studio. A moral question? Nah, not really. I simply have no good use for nude
images of a minor. Got no customers who will buy them (at least I hope not!), I
do not need them in my portfolio and lastly, I would be scared witless that
someone would either walk in during the shoot or see the photos and misinterpret
what is going on.
Now, I have taken on commissions to photograph families nude. Hey, tropics!
People come down here. They often get weird, especially the boatees. There are
naturists who want classic looking, well done imagery of themselves and their
children for their personal use. They pay well and as long as no one asks me to
step out of my clothing, everything is hunky dorey. Shy guy. That's me.
Cindy's comment about a lot of photographers that do not care whether they get
in trouble or not might be venturing into a slightly different arena...one that
runs rampant in this industry...that of sexual abuse involving sexual favors for
promised advancement. All I can say to that is that I have a daughter, 18, a
very beautiful black, native american, east indian and caucasian mix who could
model at the top of the industry if she wanted to. Now, I also own several hand
guns, an extensive knife collection and access to a government database that can
track down anyone in the world except Bin Ladin. So, pervs....make my day.  Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should  |
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ID: 183878 Posts: 1184 | Date: 2007-04-30 21:48 I was looking back to my own youth. Back in the the 60s when I wasn't much older
than the girls. all I had to do was say, "I'm a photographer," and the clothes
fell off.
But while I shot 'em and gave them copies, I wasn't prepared to fight any
battles over it, Despite what David Hamilton was doing in France or what Sally
Mann was doing in Virginia, I never had any reason to either exploit the images
or the girls. To tell the truth I was always a little uncomfortable in those
situations.
As I said, one girl turned 18 and she turned out be a pretty good artist's
model. From me she went to the school of art at the university and posed there,
helped pay her way through school. I had no problems putting her images in my
portfolio and that got me a good job with the Dept of the Army.
But my kids are grown and my granddaughters may love the camera, and I'm smiling
after reading your comment, Carib, but I have exactly the same response to any
thought of someone trying to take advantage of them. Fish bait, for sure! If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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ID: 189228 Posts: 294 | Date: 2007-05-01 09:29 Carib:
To me, a minor wearing a belt across her breasts IS sexually suggestive!
Very rarely do I personally look at sexuality as art. This is just my thing.
For the same reason I scream and say what the ...!! When I saw a pleather mini
skirt for newborns at Old Navy when my daughter was first borne.
Some people may find that cute and seek it out. I do not.
Just as I tend to not find any joy or personal satisfaction in shooting an
underage kid under any sexual tones. It's not so much a matter of morals, as I
just plain ol' have no interest.
However if someone wanted my daughter to do this some day, yes I would be quiet
a bit more then "interested"!Everything I've done, and all that I have yet to do, is only to forget the meaning of your name. |
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ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-05-03 13:54 LOL Charles! haha wish that worked here!!
But yeh just myself have seen and been offered things that really made me
think..
Like there were those that werent of sexual behavoir (like didnt involve
touching)
But the thought that crossed my head were... do they have kids?
I thought art nude over in the USA needed to be 16.. or are those lies? and I
myself had looked into it on the internet after being offered and if i remember
right it said 16 in some places. Although its still pretty dodge as it can be
debated that its nude
I have worked with a photographer back in the days when i had started out (2
years ago) and he were mostly an art nude photographer. I loved his work. Like
the way the bodies are portrayed would be something I'd love to paint or sketch.
The human body really is wonderful.
Like I would hope to get into that, although I dont think id do any good i would
be the one getting embarrased, like the human body can be shifted into so many
different positions, angles and poses. And with out clothes on the figure and
fine detail can be seen so much more clearly then those covered with layers of
clothes.
(hoping that makes sense and doesnt make me seem pervish)Howdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me |
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| Date: 2007-05-03 16:53 "And with out clothes on the figure and fine detail can be seen so much more
clearly then those covered with layers of clothes."
I understand that.. seeing a person naked under the right circumstances is
beautiful. You see their flaws and perfections, you get fascinated by the lines
and curves of their limbs and muscles, you see the way the muscles move whenever
the person moves, and you appreciate it because the naked body is private and
personal, and you were privilege in getting to see the person in his/her
skin.
 Sorry, I should've been a High Renaissance artist, a
Preraphaellite or something of the sort.
To answer the main question, both morals and laws would prevent me from doing
that kind of work with an underage model [if I were a photographer]. I can't
stand seeing a developed 14 yr old running around people and horses in tiny
shorts and an off the shoulder crop top, I'd probably have the same reaction as
Carib... but I'd stop at the 'Are you crazy?!' part. |
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 ID: 187757 Posts: 71 | Date: 2007-05-03 20:54 i am not sure if any of the prior posts are from photgraphers. but i have shot
in many countries, and irrespective of the location i would not photograph a
minor in the nude IN ANY SITUATION. i don't know that this is a moral issue at
all--or even strictly a legal one. my sense is that young people need to enjoy
their physical growth in their own private space, or in company of their peers.
it seems psychologically sound for it to be so.
at any rate, i have no experience with minors and would not want it at this
stage where my photographic aims are clear in my mind. the particular issue of
an impulsive minor model that cindy hui raises is probably not problematic at
all. i, too, will say, 'get hold of your senses.'--but there is another
technical matter too: impulse is not very conducive to good photography. one
does not simply change the shooting style just because of an impulse. all
reasonable photographers will and do, i hope, set out the parameters of a shoot
ahead of time. this is also true of sensible models. this would include even
pornographic shoots, i imagine. impulse is not the same thing as spontaneity.
by the same ytoken, i would not shoot an adult model in the nude if the model
was ambiguous about it. i just would not get into such a set-up. one who thinks
any kind of sneaky pursuasion is okay to get a model to take off his/her
clothes, should not be in this business.
cheers,
sam/photostyle.ca
ps: as for carib's definition of the united states position, it is not that
simple really: if one gets into a legal hassle it will be the lawyers, not the
artist, who will interpret the matter of affect or appropriate response--a very
iffy matter at best. moreover, for most of us, american legal and court
positions seem very opressive than permissive, in fact hardly in step with the
modern world.sam/PHOTOSTYLE.CA |
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ID: 183878 Posts: 1184 | Date: 2007-05-04 09:25 Actually, the situation in the states can be very confusing. Each state is
entitled to have its own laws regarding many things, including the age of
consent, drinking and what constitutes the status of being a minor for legal
purposes. To this is added a variety of federal laws that may or may not
supercede the state.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that a lot of guys entered photography
because it was a way to get girls naked. Depending on one's age, it could be a
cool or an uncool thing.
When I was in the dating pool, it was a very liberal time--one in which I didn't
take real advantage. Looking back, I have both regrets and relief. I could have
done more than shoot pictures and didn't. On the other hand, with the states now
going through a phase of hyper-morality and people seeking damages for sexual
misconduct dating back decades, even my boldest work doesn't fall into any
definition of pornography and I don't feel I have to worry about someone
accusing me of sexual harrassment--unless it was my lack of response to sexual
provocation.
Hell, I asked my present wife, who was 17 at the time, years before we were a
couple, to be a nude model for another photographer when we were all at
university together. I didn't offer to do it because I was too attracted to her
and knew I wouldn't be able to keep it professional.
Another woman stepped into the picture and caused a nine year delay (and a
marriage) before I ever acted on those early feelings. In fact, wife number one,
after our divorce, bumped into future wife number two and suggested she go out
with me. How's that for good joss.
Finally, despite all the influences on my times, and on my feverish nightdreams)
of Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler magazines, it was the line of the curves
between head and toe, shadows across smooth flesh tones, a look of innocence or
a look of hunger, a strip of cloth concealing or revealing the delicacy of soft
curls that captured my eye. And it was all part of a time of experimentation,
until I found the journalistic path that best suited me.
Playboy photographer it was not.
I did a little digging. Here's a sample print where I began trying to have my
model appear as she were a tree sprite. This one I saved because I liked the
result, although I knew it wouldn't be gallery material. My final print was put
in a art show at a mall and was stolen on the night we were to take it down.
How's that for perverse flattery.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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ID: 183878 Posts: 1184 | Date: 2007-05-04 09:28 On the previous shot, the model was 19.
This next shot, the model was 16. Notice the subtle difference.
These are quick scans of old prints, by the way, and stitched because of their
size.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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ID: 189228 Posts: 294 | Date: 2007-05-04 10:26 See Charles.
To me, that picture of the younger girl still displays a good sense of
womanly-hood and everything that is.
I see a young girl with her sensitivity, gentleness, deep in thought, maybe even
a little smirk on her face thinking about some boy perhaps...
It is a well executed photo. Even though she is young and showing some skin.
Where as the older model above, makes me feel nothing one way or another.
Thanks for sharing the images.Everything I've done, and all that I have yet to do, is only to forget the meaning of your name. |
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ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-05-04 13:51 Those are really good Charles! Thanks for sharing them!
Theres more then just a subtle difference in those shots though..
Ones more covered then the other. Although in saying that.. there both somewhat
covered.. but at the same time there woman hood shows thru as Angel said
before.
The youth and innocence in the 16 year old and then the raw.. em... sorry cant
think how to describe it.. from the 19 year old
(it'l probally hit me inawhile and ill edit it in lol)Howdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me |
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| Date: 2007-05-04 14:21 Personal morals and good judgment vary from person to person..
having said that, because the law of the land says a thing
does not mean you have to always agree.....
PHOTOSTYLE I just like what you said.... |
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 ID: 114641 Posts: 158 | Date: 2007-05-04 14:34 ...  many
underaged girls her offers adult modeling - some of them a few lines down in
their profile the describe to do no kind of nude work - this is confus I think,
that some don't know what 'adult' realy means ...
since I was a young boy, I sometimes was on a naturist beach and I like to go to
sauna with my family - there everybody is nude ... so I don't have any problem
with nudity - it does not matter, if adult people or children ... I can make a
nude family photo without problem
!!! but NEVER would make nude photos from underaged girls - specially not in
that way to attract the viewer
I'v chatted with one underaged girl, who offered nude modeling and more, because
it was interesting for me, why she's doing this ... *uhm* I think, I must write
a book about 
so please ... let the kids be kids and don't use them for your satisfaction Tomorrow must be the longest day  because everything is scheduled on it |
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| Date: 2007-05-04 14:39 ArteMaXX , you have said it very nicely,
However with-in our country
I think good morals have flown out the window..... |
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ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-05-04 14:44 In many countries they have. Sure what happens when a underage girl lies about
her age and has a fake id showing you that shes 18 or over.
Sure these girls doll themself up and wear pretty much nothing anyways.
Im not saying im all for shooting underage girls. I cant say im against it as i
want to get into that work and intend and have planned on doing it at my age.
(although i havnt)
who's to blame though? The photographer or the model? Like yeh the photographer
has his morals but what if like.. the model was just that sexy? and.. like..
could wrap you around their finger?Howdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me |
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ID: 183878 Posts: 1184 | Date: 2007-05-04 15:02 Ha! Cindy, The final print of the 19-year-old had the tree properly exposed all
around the girl, she was still luminous but more defined. One nipple was clear
and the skin had more tone overall, but it still was as if she were appearing in
front of the tree--and possibly from out of the tree. Like a mythological
sprite.
That girl's name was Lynn and she could wrap whatever she wanted around her
finger. Sprites, by the way, often entrap men and bring them to their doom.
Saying the difference was subtle was my idea of a joke, sorry.
Angel: the title of that piece was, "The Heart's First Murmur." I still have the
best print framed and hanging on my wall, 37 years later.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
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ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-05-04 15:10 Yeh i thought that worked well its really well shot. it does look like shes
coming out of the tree.
Oooo didnt know that about sprites... they sound evil... lol
sory for reading into the subtle part too deeply should of noticed that you
hadnt meant it like thatHowdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me |
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