Is It Wrong To Refuse A Job? Total results: 28 Pages: 1 | 2 [ 2] |
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 ID: 167467 Posts: 516 | Date: 2007-05-20 12:57 I've got people asking me to be their model but they want me to do lingerie,
glamour, adult, topless, etc, which I don't wanna do. Is it wrong to refuse
it?
And there's this person ask me to meet the producer etc but in a place I think
is not right like club, karaoke, etc... Can I believe in her? Is this what they
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 ID: 186175 Posts: 71 | Date: 2007-05-20 13:46 You can decide to do any job you want and refuse any job you don't want to do.
If you're only 17 you shouldn't be offered adult/topless work anyway. It would
be sensible to meet in place where you feel comfortable and to tell others where
you are going. If you've made it clear that you don't want to do a particular
type of modelling and someone still asks you to do it, they are wasting your
time. |
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 ID: 185214 Posts: 1301 | Date: 2007-05-20 14:17 No its never wrong to refuse a job.
Its the models choice in what they want to do not the photographers, a
photographer can ask but only when its appropriate.
You have to be careful as your back photo might mislead photographers when they
see your site that you might be doing nude and such.
Alot of photographers, producers and the likes will wish to meet you where they
think you would be most comfortable. Like a club, so there are alot of people
around and cause of your age that she thinks thats what your age group do.
Never do anything that you don't want toHowdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me  |
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 ID: 194271 Posts: 156 | Date: 2007-05-21 02:23 Hi Catherina,
I agree with both Simon and Cindy.
If this people knew your age it was wrong of them to ask you to pose
topless/nude. Nothing wrong with tastefull Glamour or Lingerie.
And also if you are not available for such work please remove the photo's from
your site where you are semi nude with just a black piece of material held in
front of you as that just contradicts your whole reason for posting this topic.
In fact remove all the photo's you will feel uncomfortable with or refuse
another photographer to take. That should give us photographers a much better
understanding as to what sort of work you will agree to do. Will save everybody
a lot of misunderstanding. Sorry looking at your posted photo's I also would
have thought you do nude/semi-nude work.
And just use common sense, who in their right mind will meet in a night club to
discuss a model shoot, maybe a audition for being an erotic dancer yes. Be
carefull.
Regards
Deon. |
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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1793 | Date: 2007-05-21 02:32 No, it is never wrong to turn down a job. You have the right of refusal on any
job offer. Earlier today a model called me for advice on a photographer asking
her to go beyond her limits. He was putting some real pressure on her with words
about "If she is a professional she will do this or that. If she wants exposure
she will do this or that". This in spite of the fact that he acknowledged to her
that her port said she didn't so nudes.
Even though you are under 18, do not make a snap judgement to pervertvile or
illegality if approached for nudes. Simon's advice is good except for the small
technical part about a 17 year old shouldn't be offered topless work. There is
nothing illegal about that in the United States and many other countries. Just
morally tricky. Check the laws in your own country. I only say this because you
need full information in making a decision.
If you do not want to work at certain levels, put your foot down and say NO.
Then do not entertain any further suggestions of the sort. If a person insists
after that, shut them down and do not go near them! Do not let someone convince
you that turning down their offer will dampen your career. That is not how the
industry works. Yes, there are certain gigs that will give you great exposure,
so a once in a lifetime thing, but most jobs are not that.
There are people who look for fresh faces and try to get to them first. There is
money to be made in newbie nudes. But trust me...the model is rarely the one
making all those bucks. You get paid for a hour or two shooting, your nude
circulates the world. Sometimes this generates other people's interest in you,
sometimes not. But do it once, expect that the majority of your offers will be
for that.
You've probably already experienced that most of your offers are for
that...think what it will be afterwards.
I couldn't hold a business meeting in a night club, could you? If a tog is
travelling and has no nearby studio, there are more appropriate public places to
meet. And, don't go alone. Any legitimate offer can be made in the presence of
witneses.
I do not want to contradict the others, but I do not see partially covered or
implied poses as overly suggestive of you having a willingness to do nudes. If a
tog or agency has a gig for nudes there is really no harm in them asking. They
will ask a fully clothed person since one never knows if a model will change
their mind. As with everything else in life, there is no harm in asking. The
problem comes when you give your answer and they continue to insist or if their
initial inquiry was rude or crass. It takes judgement. Since you are young and
inexperienced with how some people use words and language, have an adult look
over all of your prospects and let them advise you in making the decisions.
(Although I suspect that most parents seeing their minor daughter getting a nude
request would hit the roof and maybe take an ax to the computer...so I hope you
have the full backing of your parents in this venture and that they do
understand the nature of the business.)
Bottomline: You shape the course of your career, not the cameraman. People will
respect you for being careful and choosy. If someone really wants you for
mainstream work they will approach you in a very professional manner and respect
your rights and wishes. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should  |
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ID: 194271 Posts: 156 | Date: 2007-05-21 03:49 Mm yes technically that might be correct Carib although it is a very grey area.
I think it is a very general accepted fact now between most
photographers/countries worldwide to regard 18yrs as the minimum required age
for nude photography regardless what the law says. |
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 ID: 185837 Posts: 336 | Date: 2007-05-21 05:01 Never wrong to say no, but it is a good idea to give a reason 
The problems only come if it seems that sometimes you accept certain assignments
and sometimes you don't. That can lead to gossip amongst photographers and can
damage your reputation. Giving reasons such as
"Inappropriate for my age." for anything topless / lingerie / etc
"Not one of the themes I am looking to add to my portfolio via TFP" for TFP
"I am only looking to work with leading photographers at the moment" for
profiles with poor images.
Also as your career progresses you might well wish to turn down paid fashion
work if the photographer is of a poor quality as you might not want bad images
of yourself floating around.***** Spring approaches and soon the fairies will awaken ***** |
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 ID: 188448 Posts: 198 | Date: 2007-05-21 07:42 there's absolutely nothing wrong in turning down a job.
i'll turn a job that invovles nudity so fast, their heads will spin!
come on,you must feel good about whatever you do, okay?
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| Date: 2007-05-21 17:12 
Cathy! OF COURSE it's not wrong to refuse a job! What happens if you get a
handful of offers for the same dates? You'd have to turn down a few.
I know what you mean though. I turned down an offer for bikini/vehicle shots
because I didn't think I could handle that sort of exposure right off the bat,
and I explained why as nicely as I could, and he was fine with it and
understood. I think it's very important to explain why you turn down an offer to
let people know where they stand and if they can contact you again, it can build
up a reputation and contacts too.
I don't know if your clubs are anything like ours, but I have to yell myself
hoarse just to tell a friend of mine 'I'm going upstairs' in our clubs. If it's
a meeting and you're supposed to be able to talk, a club is definitely the wrong
place. Karaoke I wouldn't know, but what you could try is suggesting a different
meeting place that you prefer, like a cafe. If they take the bait, all well and
good, and take someone with you when you go to meet them just in case they're
not well-intending.
That's me done, and I agree with Carib wholeheartedly. |
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ID: 167467 Posts: 516 | Date: 2007-05-22 00:50 Thank you guys for your answers.
Right now I have this person offering me many jobs. I don't know if I could
trust her or not, because she seems like a bad person. A model who's getting her
job and fee by having sex with the producer etc. And last night we chatted, she
told me to chat with a producer I will have a job with. And then she told me to
flirt with this guy, so I could have a higher fee and a higher position fo the
job. I said I don't wanna flirt with this guy, and I don't wanna do anything
sexually even cyber with anybody. And she said okay. But still, she was like,
'Hey I tell you what, this producer is really easy to handle. You wanna know how
I get my fee higher? I ask him to do cyber sex...' And I answered I wanna do my
job fairly. And I'm still 17 for goodness sake! (Well, even though I'm not that
naive for my age). This girl knew I'm not as naive as a 17 year old Indonesian
girl.
I'm afraid even though she has told me that I don't need to worry with the
producer because the producer is a nice guy even though he's just an ordinary
guy-likes sex and women.
I don't know if I can trust her or not. I have to say that I get many jobs from
her but I'm afraid because she's not a good person. But she understands about
what I wanna do and my principe.
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ID: 194271 Posts: 156 | Date: 2007-05-22 02:42 Wow, get away from that lot as fast as your two legs can carry you, even though
it sounds like she has helped you before it is starting to sound to me she did
it just to slowly lure you into their seedy kind of lifestyle. Not cool. |
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ID: 167467 Posts: 516 | Date: 2007-05-23 12:40 Deon: Yes you're right. She's like trying to get me into her world. And I'm not
that stupid I guess.
Daphne: Thanks darling ^-^ Although it might seems like getting job from her is
easy, but I guess I will find another people who'll give a job, and those people
must be a great and nice people. ^^Visit my website! It's HERE |
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| Date: 2007-05-23 14:20  I agree
with the people above! def. block her and get rid of anything e-mail, screen
name - phone number or what not. see that stuff just makes me so pissed off.
Hope everything works out!  |
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 ID: 189228 Posts: 294 | Date: 2007-05-24 10:28 Catherina:
No way hun. Do NOT do it. Believe me.
That other woman talking to you has absolutely no pride in her self and is
clearly insecure about her ability to be a model as a whole.
If she is even truly a model to begin with.
Specially seeing as you are a woman, and under age you should always bring a
responsible male chaperon with you.
No, initial work contacts should not take place in something like a Karaoke bar.
You are right on that. Just because someone may seem very friendly and open up
front does not mean they really are.Everything I've done, and all that I have yet to do, is only to forget the meaning of your name. |
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 ID: 193204 Posts: 8 | Date: 2007-05-26 03:36 Hello Catherina,
I remember I asked the same question when I started modeling... because of a
photographer that yelled at me because I refused to pose for him. He didn't
understand why I refused and all that shit...
But it is not wrong to refuse at all. Generally, photographers prefer frankness.
And the ones that work like this are professional. They'll have respect for you
because You are a professional and you have limits. Thisis your choice and you
are not.. sausage meat, you are Someone.
To really answer the question, you have the right to say "NO, i don't do it" and
you need to say what you do and what you don't. They don't have the right to
force you. If they do, just leave the set with proudness.
There is another modeling world that is better lol You also have the
right to say: No, I prefer to meet you HERE, where I want. Someone like your
friends or close person have to know where you are, or better, go to the
appointment with someone, a friend of yours, better if it is a boy.
Hope I helped you,
Cheers!
PS: That girl is a bitch! don't talk to her anymore! and don't listen to her. |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1793 | Date: 2007-05-26 06:31 Catherina...
Bait and switch...one of the oldest tactics used to lure young people into seedy
stuff. Throw out a few good jobs, get you hooked, lure you in. Many times hard
to spot, but this lady messed up by pushing too hard too soon.
Good for you!
Best thing to always do is stick you your guns and the choices/decisions you
have made for yourself. When you start compromising what you believe is when
things will go downhill. Everything should be your choice,
never someone elses.
And a photographer that needs cyber sex in order to push a shutter button? What
he needs to do is trade in his Nikon for a Polaroid and head down to a strip
club. Maybe he is really a photographer, but he is definately a sicko. You do
not need to be near him and you should sever all ties with this girl who is
bringing you jobs. She is not your friend. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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 ID: 183020 Posts: 267 | Date: 2007-06-04 13:35 it's not wrong. you have a right to decide what you want to do.sexy |
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 ID: 196690 Posts: 58 | Date: 2007-06-04 19:19 Hi there.
I'm a photographer and frankly, I prefer models to turn down a request than
ignoring my mails or messages. I do know some photographers that are persistent
with his/their request (to do lingerie, nude, etc) and didn't seem to get the
"no" message.
And regarding to your girl friend, please stay away from her before she gets you
into any trouble!
modeling doesn't have to involve sex and all that.
cheers! |
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 ID: 174604 Posts: 63 | Date: 2007-06-04 23:23 its not wrong its your right if you dont like. though refusing means lost
opportunity... |
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