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| Date: 2007-05-26 18:05 Hi!
This is my first posting here, and I was wondering how photographers deal with
the cold feet syndrome, in case it isnt clear. I am talking about those models ,
who make an arrangement and back out at the last moment. It a common problem and
I try hard to make sure I am professional, but I am a bit frustrated that models
back out or just dont turn up. |
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 ID: 185214 Posts: 1299 | Date: 2007-05-26 19:55 Do the models back out without reason? Do they do it after arriving or before? I
would presume you also mean aspiring amature models?
The best thing to do is to talk with them for a bit and make them easy before
the shoot. Deal them out the process. Like what is going to be done, whats going
to be shot etc.
Also to sometimes talk on there level and not use such big words, also speak to
them not there chaperon or parent. You may talk to them after if need be. Direct
it to the model gives them more confidence.Howdy.I'm a 18 year old half asian from Ireland who really would love to get with an agency who can get her exposure or anything please look at my profile and get back to me  |
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| Date: 2007-05-26 23:40 Hi Cindy
I currently don't shoot under 18s and its always just before the shoot for
aspiring models
I always talk to them and explain, that if they have never done it before then
its a , bit of fun to, relax and enjoy posing, I always ask them what kind of
modelling they are interested in and always respect their limits. |
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 ID: 194372 Posts: 23 | Date: 2007-05-27 09:22 I find much the same problem an joined jurgita to see if I could find models who
seriously want to increase their portfolio with little effort on their part and
a small fee for them. Models that don't turn up are worst as you feel all
psyched up and set up for the shoot then you don't know how best to follow up on
the no-show.
I expect like me you approached like Cindy suggests and even sent details of
what sort of shots you were proposing, but you still get the no-shows or last
minute cancels.
Perhaps its the reason a lot of talented looking modes never seem to go any
further, they lack commitment? |
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| Date: 2007-05-27 09:38  Very interesting.. maybe its just irrational fear, but if thats what it is,
there is nothing anyone can do about it except keep trying. |
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 ID: 186175 Posts: 71 | Date: 2007-05-27 16:09 Model no-shows seem to be par for the course. As a photographer you will
have to get used to being left standing waiting for models who never show up.
One way of reducing the number of no-shows is to ask models for references from
other photographers - but this can be deceptive. If a model shows up to a shoot
and is at least reasonable to work with, then she'll get a good reference from
the photographer and you'll never hear from any of the people she stood up. A
better way is to check her personal website, even if it's only a myspace page.
You get a good idea how serious she is about her modelling career. Even then,
you are still at risk from being stood up at the last minute because a better
job came along. |
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 ID: 182203 Posts: 201 | Date: 2007-05-28 00:13 If it's for paid job.. it's a headache we need to deal with. Not just by
crossing fingers. Never experience anything like it.. probably due to i'm new
and haven't do much. A friend who does mentioned that he keeps many backup
models. They are mostly amateurs who have plenty of times that they can be
called almost instantly. That's why although he have paid jobs.. he still does
TFCs to get backups.. for his current backups will not be his backups forever.
They'll be better amateurs (if not pros) or they lost interest in the field. But
that's talking about the industry in our area.. not sure about others. |
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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1739 | Date: 2007-05-28 01:32 "As a photographer you will have to get used to being left standing waiting for
models who never show up."
Huh?
Get used to what?
I don't know what world you guys are dealing in but in my world, time is money,
planning is money, set design and prepping is money, concept drawings are money,
crew is money, location licenses are money, client time and energy is money and
reputation. A model no-shows, that should be it for her and the industry. Out.
Erased. Persona non-grata.
I was stood-up once and the law suit left her reeling.
Get used to it? With the amount of money on the line for a photoshoot? You bet
your bottom dollar I, for one, will never get used to it! Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should  |
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 ID: 122815 Posts: 4 | Date: 2007-05-28 04:28 It happens to me twice, I'd drive two hours to the photoshoot location
(unfortunately I do not have a studio at my place) and once the model called me
to cancel when I was just 20 mins far from arriving to the location, it did
upset me quite a deal, but that what happens with aspiring models, thats why I
just deal with modeling agencies, some agencies want their models portfolio
updated all the times, so they send their models on time.
I'm sorry that this happens to you, but be firm with them, just show them that
you are professional, and works with professional people so they better keep
their word, if they want to back off, just cancel within 24 hr, anything after
that you charge them for it.
Good luck!
- Aysha |
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 ID: 194271 Posts: 156 | Date: 2007-05-28 15:29 Tend to agree with Carib on this one, it is a profession and if you cannot
commit yourself to it you should not be there in the first place. Do not waste
other people's money and time and in some cases even their credibility if they
had a deadline that they could not meet.
The model or her agency should be held responsible for all costs. Maybe models
should be made more aware before they make themselves available for work on a
website like this or an agency that they will be held responsible if they "no
show". Stricter protocols maybe? Kind of a blacklist maybe? kind of a commitment
form to be signed maybe? There should be some kind of protection plan for the
models also against photographers that does not pay them for work done and so
forth. Sticky stuff but will make people more professional in their approach.
For sure website owners will not like it as it will cut down on their less
serious client base. |
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ID: 186175 Posts: 71 | Date: 2007-05-29 01:42 Carib Goodies:
I was stood-up once and the law suit left her reeling.
Get used to it? With the amount of money on the line for a photoshoot? You bet
your bottom dollar I, for one, will never get used to it!
You can't make arrangements with a model on a site like this and then take her
to court if she doesn't turn up on the day. Firstly, she isn't liable for any of
the costs you occur even if ultimately she's responsible for the losses you made
with studio bookings etc. Secondly, even if you could it wouldn't be worth the
money, time or effort involved.
Deon Naude:
Maybe models should be made more aware before they make themselves available for
work on a website like this or an agency that they will be held responsible if
they "no show". Stricter protocols maybe? Kind of a blacklist maybe? kind of a
commitment form to be signed maybe? There should be some kind of protection plan
for the models also against photographers that does not pay them for work done
and so forth.
Blacklists don't work and very few modelling forums want to get involved with
them. There is no way of knowing whether the models or photographers have been
genuinely blacklisted or have been so maliciously.The whole thing tends to
degenerate into slanging matches and flame wars.
The trouble is not usually with professional models but with the newer models or
ones that 'do a bit of modelling on the side'. If a model regularly lets people
down, she will eventually get a reputation for it and her work will dry up. The
occasional model will probably not be in the business long enough for this to be
an issue.
What I can't understand is that there are hundreds of thousands of people in the
UK who drag themselves out of bed to work all day for less than £80 but there
are models who can't find it in themselves to do the job they presumably want to
do for only two hours for the same amount. |
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ID: 194271 Posts: 156 | Date: 2007-05-29 02:22 I fully agree again with you Carib, my suggestions was just what we sometimes
think should happen but I am under no illusions that it is very unpractical and
also could be used as a tool to slander innocent people.. More thrown out as
bait to evoke some responses. |
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ID: 194271 Posts: 156 | Date: 2007-05-29 02:24 Sorry the above post is meant to read that I agree with Simon. |
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 ID: 154201 Posts: 187 | Date: 2007-05-29 03:23 So far so good, I've not experienced that after the booking part, not unless you
count those that who are making arrangements but not finalised their decision
and decided to skip the booking. |
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| Date: 2007-05-29 09:11 I cant take someone to court for not turning up, at least in the uk as far as I
know its not something you can litigate for unless I had a signed agreement
upfront, which is almost impossible to have with model shoots, If its throgh an
agency on a paid shoot thats quite different. |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1739 | Date: 2007-05-30 18:55 Simon Lea:
[Carib Goodies: ...]
You can't make arrangements with a model on a site like this and then take her
to court if she doesn't turn up on the day. Firstly, she isn't liable for any of
the costs you occur even if ultimately she's responsible for the losses you made
with studio bookings etc. Secondly, even if you could it wouldn't be worth the
money, time or effort involved.
Whoa! Wrong info, man. Totally 100% wrong! I'll fetch the case
law (ie: cases taken to court and won) in both the United
States and the United Kingdom when I go in to my office tomorrow and post them
here.
Your communications on sites like these can and do serve as a contract and proof
of intent.
Both models and photographers have been sued for damages for
standing up shoots made through the internet. And since the U.K. has reciprocal
arrangements with the United States, a lawsuit originating in either country can
translate to enforcement in the other.
I've written some of those laws and provided testimony in court as to
legislative intent during judicial review.
The proof for tort lies in whether or not there was a vested interest in the
arrangement. The photographer in spending $1 in post-agreement costs is vested
in the matter. The model, in precipitating the investiture of the photographer,
incurs a liability to perform. The closure of that liability, should it not
occur through fault of the model, is recoverable.
I am quite familiar with U.K. law. First, the base premise of U.S. law is based
upon the foundation of U.K. law. The individual variations in laws between
jurisdictions still fall upon the same foundations for proof, interpretation,
application and enforcement. The U.K. is also only 1 mile away from the Virgin
Islands. (Check a map.) I do a lot of business over there and hold several
licenses, including one for photography. I have to interact with U.K. law many
times a year. I am also a citizen of the U.K., holding Belonger status through
my grandmother and own property there, including most of beef island, through my
family. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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 ID: 190301 Posts: 20 | Date: 2007-06-02 14:10 I REALLY love those no call-no show types. They really get me. I can really
respect them if they can at least call and say they are nervous. I have no
problem with that. Normally, if they request the shoot, I will charge a sitting
fee that I will only refund if I can not show. If they don't show, I keep the
cash. Call me nasty, but time is money, and I hate wasting money. |
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