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Cheryl L
Cheryl L
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Date: 2007-09-27 20:09
:) hallo...


i have alot of piercings.... 11 piercings i should say...
3 are on my face which are eyebrown, nose and tongue..

is it harder to get a modeling job if i have a eyebrown piercing or do they force you to take the piercing out or they photoshop it off....???


{{xOx}] get bak 2 me.
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Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
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Date: 2007-09-28 13:22
I’m not sure, but I think now it’s very easy to Photoshop them:dunno:

Mystique Eyed Phoenix IonU
Mystique Eyed Phoenix IonU
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Posts: 926
Date: 2007-09-28 14:11
Your pic' inspires an Aloha greeting, Cheryl:)
EXCESS facial piercings could limit certain modeling opportunities...
I think [ :D ]Ann is correct--Certain things can be Air Brushed or Photoshop enhanced.
I wish I had a picture of a model I saw posted in a UK website...The model had so-O-o
many facia piercings, that it was more of a National Geographic Bewildering tribal image...Although, she was a young caucasian...She sacrificed her NATURAL beauty for a swelling disfigurement.
Artistic is fine...Uniqueness is wonderful--But I could CRY over what she lost!
:(:(
Whether it be :lips::lips: OR :muscle::muscle:. . ."TRUE BLUE" IS The GENE that fits ALL;)

Carib Goodies
Carib Goodies
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Date: 2007-09-28 14:45
Proper 'Photoshopping' (retouching is the more appropriate term since Photoshop is not the only, nor even the best, tool available for image modification...plus it is trademarked) is not quick, easy nor even preferred. Retouching costs a lot of money.

Body alteration through piercings and tattoos are frowned upon. The more one has, the lower an individuals chances of making it big. Being signed is more than just being photographed. Investment by an agency in a model involves live appearances for publicity purposes as well as the shaping of a public personality for promotional interactions.

In promoting to the general public, conservative is always better than liberal. Much bigger audiences. Tons of piercings does not mean an end to a career or the impossibility of getting jobs. It may mean that the gigs available to you may be limited in scope.


However, remember that there really are no hard and fast rules to being discovered or becoming in demand. Someone with a thousand piercing could conceivably be the next discovered 'face'. Don;t hold you breath, though.

I know some will site superstars who have multiple piercings and tattoos. However, if you research, you will find that these people did not have all those atrocious mutilations before becoming famous. They were already in demand when they started modifying their bodies to niche them to certain cultural phenomena, thus further identifying them with a niche group. Some of those 'personalities' have actually be sculpted as continuing publicity stunts to further careers.

The best bet is to always start natural, unaltered and conservative.

One has a very difficult time 'photoshopping' a live fashion show, hosting event, product appearance, etc.

And....'can be taken out'...what is that statement? Of course they can be taken out...even if a wire cutter is needed. But the scars and holes...distracting!
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
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Date: 2007-09-28 15:04
I do think it's easy!

Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
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Date: 2007-09-28 15:06
Removing single piercing takes just a few seconds!

Carib Goodies
Carib Goodies
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Date: 2007-09-28 17:23
Yeah, Ann...not good enough for commercial work. Your retouching is extremely obvious. My rate is $250 an hour. I wouldn't be able to get that if just anyone with photoshop could adequately do the job.

Pay attention to how you have warped the shape f her nostril and where the lighting needs to be added, subtracted and changed to accommodate the different light cast from the removed blemish.
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Cheryl L
Cheryl L
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Posts: 25
Date: 2007-09-29 02:39
Thanks for the information people!!!!

BUT look at my eyebrown piercing, once agenies see it they'll be like "ahhh noooOoo way".

:dunno:
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Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
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Date: 2007-09-29 07:21
Karl: Yes, it’s rough! But I never claimed I’m professional retoucher and I really did it just for about 10 seconds! And by the way I don’t even have Photoshop; this was done by quite primitive program (Photo Studio 5.5).
Cheryl: if an agency is a serious one and it is really interested in you, your piercing won’t be a problem, I think!

Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
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Posts: 149
Date: 2007-09-29 08:28
And what about this try (right side changed)?

Carib Goodies
Carib Goodies
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Date: 2007-09-29 19:19
Ann Goleva:

Karl: Yes, it’s rough! But I never claimed I’m professional retoucher and I really did it just for about 10 seconds! And by the way I don’t even have Photoshop; this was done by quite primitive program (Photo Studio 5.5).


OK. You have officially confused me with double speak.

Ann Goleva:

Cheryl: if an agency is a serious one and it is really interested in you, your piercing won’t be a problem, I think!


Talked to many agencies, have you?

I guess my agency isn't a serious one. I only started in June and only have 43 clients. Doesn't matter that they are world class liquor, watch, clothing and jewelry makers. Doesn't make me a 'serious' agency.

Just put together an event for the local distributor of Miller beer. Needed bikini girls for a car giveaway. THEY, not me, rejected models with multiple piercings and tattoos. Not the marketing image they wanted. I guess they are not serious either.

As an agency, I select models who I believe I can promote to clients. I spend a lot of money marketing each model. My projections for this year figure promotional expenditures to be approximately $4600 per first tier model. I have several tiers (or quality levels), 1st tier being the highest paid, most promoted and most in demand. I go all the way down to 4th Tier because, yes, there is a market, albeit a small one, for Emo, Pierce and Tat, Gothic, etc. But you want to know a funny thing? My 'clean' Tier 1 models still get picked for that type of work because you can always make someone up to have the exact piercings and tattoos needed! You cannot easily un-pierce, un-tattoo and un-scar someone.

Understand something else...for major promotional campaigns a model often is not called in just for a photoshoot! There are many live promotional events, TV commercials and other things that comprise a promotional campaign. And, when you get photographed for an Ad, and then have to make a live appearance for something like a product launch or promotional event, for continuity's sake, you have to look just like you do in the advertisements. Retouching a photo will not help you here and me, as an agency, would be profoundly embarrassed and might even lose a client.

Nah...piercings go to Tier 4 which means I spend next to nothing, if anything, on promoting you and don't call me, I'll call you if someone walks in and just happens to need a mutilated model.

But thanks, Ann, for your insight into how you think a serious agency should accept models!
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Carib Goodies
Carib Goodies
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Posts: 1442
Date: 2007-09-29 19:21
Cheryl:

Since you already have the piercings, you will have to grin and bear it. Go and visit several agencies in person, see what they think of you, get on their lists, leave glossies and see what happens. Just continually lobby yourself and perhaps someone will take a fancy to you. You're beautiful, so that's a plus. But the agencies have to see and know you to make a decision.

No loss in trying, right! :thumbup:
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
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Posts: 149
Date: 2007-09-30 09:35
Karl:
I always enjoyed your posts, but there is one thing I recommend you: try to be a little more patient to those people who disagrees you. I hate when someone disagrees me too, but I never allow myself such arrogant language as you did! Take a note please!
I don’t actually understand your flatness with this issue, but that’s your business.
And one more thing: I live in Ukraine (eastern Europe), you live on Virgin Islands (US), Cheryl lives in Australia…are your sure three of us are in identical conditions that we can give such arrogant comments? You may think that main principles of this business are the same everywhere, but that is not so! If you have only seen the way celebrities’ images are retouched here…they don’t even zoom it for retouching, and you know what? They can make it perfect! Because we have professionals here!
But I agree, printed commercial is not the main one.
And you didn’t write exactly if you, as an agency would sign a contract with a girl who has piercings.
I’ve seen some Russian commercials where models have not only piercings, but teeth brequets too. So why I can’t call their agencies serious ones? Those commercials were quite successful by the way! I’m not suggesting using such girls for “Angel” perfumes commercial or something, but I think it’s possible to find job for them!
And as a CONSUMER I don’t understand why beer company said “No” to the girls you’ve found (except they had other drawbacks).
I don’t have any piercings or tattoos but I’m not against it, and if you take a look at Cindy Hui’s profile for example, you will se, it is not a problem!

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Date: 2007-09-30 09:37
Karl is right, "The best bet is to always start natural, unaltered and conservative". I always prefer the natural look. I don't have any tattoos and I don't have any body piercings aside from my ears. :thumbup:

Ann Goleva
Ann Goleva
ID: 197842
Posts: 149
Date: 2007-09-30 10:06
Yeah, I agree, but if you have one I think that’s not easy to get rid of them. I just say such models don’t have to be crossed out the industry!

Carib Goodies
Carib Goodies
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Posts: 1442
Date: 2007-09-30 11:11
It is so funny, Ann, that you would stand and challenge someone who has outright stated and proven that he knows what is happening inside the business. We work on demographics, dear lady and lots and lots of research. Research so accurate, as a matter of fact, that people entrust $100 million dollar ad campaigns to it.

Arrogant? :dunno: Perhaps. You might be a little miffed and arrogant too if you were paying upwards of $30,000 a year in research money and someone using conventional wisdom (the most dangerous and fallible type of knowledge) challenges industry fact wit personal belief.

I am also seeing a major comprehension problem here. As I stated above there is a market for pierced and tattooed models but it is a very small one. Also as I stated, most clients would prefer to decorate a "clean" model to their styling rather that have to adjust to another model's piercings. I will bet you cannot tell a paste on piercing on TV or print ad from the real deal.

Regional issues: What in the world makes you believe that I am confined to the Virgin Islands as far as marketing goes? In fact, marketing here has to be much more diverse than almost anywhere else. Tourism marketing is the most fickle and changing marketing environment there is. I have to market to Japanese, Italians, Danish, Portugese, various differing South American cultures, a variety of American cultures and...gasp...yes...we even have Australian tourists. 2.5 million tourists a year and only one shot at each of them as average stays are between one day to one week. I have to hit is right straight out of the door or I cost my clients a heck of a lot of money.

Tell me: Why are you, just starting in the industry, so game to challenge the experience of veterans?

Also recall I never said I would not use an overly pierced and tattooed model...I said they would get a low ranking.

And...to contradict your statement about the beer company...the second largest in the United States, by the way: They rejected the models for the tattoos and nothing else. They paid me a lot of money for the gig...they certainly are not going to lie to me about criteria for promotional models. Remember...this is about making money and losing money is always a risk which is why experts are consulted.

As a CONSUMER, I will explain to you why a beer company would opt for a conservative look in bathing suit clad girls giving cars away. It is rare that you can generalize or stereotype a group of persons except to note that conservative behavior turns off or insults almost no one. You have bikini girls at a car give away sponsored by a beer company. Ok...so we understand immediately that the demographic is not the little old lady who only leaves the house to go to church. The demographic was 25 to 60 year olds...quite a diverse demographic, by the way, with enormous difficulties in determining common factors. The draw here was the car giveaway along with free beer to advertise the company. But we wanted to advertise to beer drinkers, not just to persons looking to score a new car but not try the beer. Hence a bit of a liberal bent by dressing the ladies in bikinis as opposed to one piece suits or even costumes. While we wanted to seal out the little old lady, we also wanted to attract the enormous beach going and partying crowd and not dissuade those people who find piercings and tattoos offensive. Look at the girl, hope for the car, impress the girl with how manly you look chugging beer. Simple. Additionally, placement of piercings, types of piercings, scar locations and imagery of certain tattoos can convey messages we did not want going out to the customers. Holes in certain places have sexual or drug use connotations. Did you know that? We wanted no druggies present or to make people think that the beer company was affiliated with people in the drug or sex trade. I see girls wearing tattoos or piercings for fun not knowing how those piercings or marks came to be. No. We needed girls clean of any markings or blemishes, intentional or otherwise.

Finishing: I have not told Cheryl that she cannot be signed. I believe I have opened her eyes to some of the difficulties so that she can go to her interviews a little more salient to the facts and be able to adjust to her current situation.
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Cheryl L
Cheryl L
ID: 209904
Posts: 25
Date: 2007-09-30 17:30
:doh: ohhhh... NOOooooO...

i think ma question has created a debate :shocked:


i'm sorry :(
Cherish ME :muscle:

Cheryl L
Cheryl L
ID: 209904
Posts: 25
Date: 2007-09-30 17:50
Carib Goodies:

Cheryl:

Since you already have the piercings, you will have to grin and bear it. Go and visit several agencies in person, see what they think of you, get on their lists, leave glossies and see what happens. Just continually lobby yourself and perhaps someone will take a fancy to you. You're beautiful, so that's a plus. But the agencies have to see and know you to make a decision.

No loss in trying, right! :thumbup:


i dont no exactly where to go visit some agenies. But there was a korean girl thats a photographer and has connections and wanted to introduce me to a korean agenies for modeling but i turned it down. This was only this year (before i wanted to be a model and before i got my eyebrown done)

{{xOx}]

i still doubt now after i got the eyebrown piercing, she'll think it ruined my natural beauty and not offer me the agency company to me if i return again.
Cherish ME :muscle:

Cheryl L
Cheryl L
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Posts: 25
Date: 2007-09-30 17:53
Ann Goleva:

Yeah, I agree, but if you have one I think that’s not easy to get rid of them. I just say such models don’t have to be crossed out the industry!



thats true... a friend told me that some models have eyebrown piercings and the company didnt even airbrush it off... bcoz it looked hot.

alot of my friends say that my eyebrown piercing suits me, and it kindof blends into my face in person.

{{xOx}]
Cherish ME :muscle:

David Otokpa Photography
David Otokpa Photography
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Posts: 22
Date: 2007-09-30 18:21
Like Carib said. They are NOT easy to remove. On a professional level they take a lot of time. And his rates are in line with a lot of commercial retouchers. $250 an hour.

Nobody wants to pay to have piercings removed from every shoot for a magazine let alone a live event of fashion event. You'd have to be bringing in mega bucks for anyone to even consider that.

If you do decide to have numerous piercings then know that you'll be reducing your marketing power considerably and you'll generally be considered for edgy/Alternative work.

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