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 ID: 167467 Posts: 463 | Date: 2008-01-18 03:53 As you can see I posted the [ask] title so here is where I wanna ask some
questions. Please answer me with the best honestly. I'll appreciate it so much!
Thank you very much.
1. There is this 'outlet' in my country calling themselves a 'model scout'. My
question is, they say I have to pay around 150.000 rupiah (about $15) to join
them and there will be no other fees next. They will take no percentages from my
work like agencies or management artist here do. So the money I get from my work
will be all mine -but- that's it, I have to pay them 150.000 rupiah.
How they work is easy. They'll do the same thing like agencies and other media
outlets do, BUT plus they'll send my port to trusted agencies, management
artist, magazines, etc etc for like 10-20 media outlets and give me casting
calls, etc.
My friend has join this one and yes she got the casting calls etc.
My question is, is this 'model scout' for real? Is it worth the cost? Is it
wrong to join them? Just give me any idea or anything!What do you think of holding another contest? http://www.jurgita.com/forum/topic-3128
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ID: 167467 Posts: 463 | Date: 2008-01-18 03:54 2. I get this message in my e-mail inbox. I guess they have it from a website or
something... Please read.
I am a collector of images, the same as others collect stamps or coins. I try to
guess who will advance in this industry and follow their progress. I want to
purchase copies of your photoshoots, starting with the first one. I do sign a
release that states all images are for my collection only and cannot be posted
on any websites or any public venue.
A number of models/photographers offer their work for sale. You are welcome to
check into it. If you decide to do so, you can offer that in the forms of sets
of 4x6 pictures, signed and unsigned 8x10s, dvds or photo cds that are past
shoots or requested themes or styles.
Nathaniel
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 ID: 197756 Posts: 8 | Date: 2008-01-19 02:31 well, I don`t know if it`s scam or not, but i have the same question about
EMPIRE models.  |
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ID: 167467 Posts: 463 | Date: 2008-01-19 11:29 Egle: Where can we see about the EMPIRE thingy?What do you think of holding another contest? http://www.jurgita.com/forum/topic-3128
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ID: 197756 Posts: 8 | Date: 2008-01-19 12:05 well, I had some free time so found some info about them, so I now I think that
they aren`t scam.
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| Date: 2008-01-19 12:56 1 )
Catherina I am not real sure how easy rupiah is to come by ( I from the U.S. )
but I would talk to your friend at length . Also ask the 'Outlet ' for and look
at things like length of time in business, membership in business and
professional organizations, tear sheets, newspaper and magazine articles and
other items you can readily see.
If you do decide to go with them I would ask for all the things they promise you
in writing . Have them sign it and date it. You read it sign it anddate it ,
take a witness along with you (better if it is a parent or older legel gaurdian
) have them read it, witnees and sign and date it .
2) I really think you need to stay clear of a ( personal collector) getting his
hands on your images .  |
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 ID: 220413 Posts: 11 | Date: 2008-01-19 16:11 I don't think you shold be paying to join any model agency whatever the cost.
They should take their pay out of the money you get when they find you jobs.
Orlie  |
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 ID: 209800 Posts: 460 | Date: 2008-01-19 16:12 Yes, this is good advice. I did something similar to this and it was a scam. A
guy named Jason Sampson (Fan Agency) said he needed the images. I sent a boat
load-- and he disappeared along with copies of my photos. I don't know what his
intention are with them, but I am sure he is up to no good. Please be careful
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ID: 167467 Posts: 463 | Date: 2008-01-20 11:31 The outlet on number 1 is not an agency. They call themselves a model scout and
they take no money out of us when we get job or accepted for a job so the only
money they'll take from us is that 150.000 rupiah.
I was there when my friend signed the model partnership agreement sheet they
gave. And it was for real. The sheet says the membership is for 1 year. They'll
send our money back if in 2 months they don't give us a modeling info or casting
calls.
So...?
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 ID: 128069 Posts: 240 | Date: 2008-01-20 22:33 Have your friend gotten any casting calls from them yet? its hard to believe
that a business model such as this works as they do not deduct any commissions.
Are they running another type of business that requires the collection of a huge
database of models contact?
Cheers,
Tuck |
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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1589 | Date: 2008-01-21 00:40 Catherina Kurnia:
Okay the second one is a real scam then.
That's an odd conclusion to make based upon one persons experience with one con
artist. There are real collectors out there. Models, actors, signers, writers,
etc. sell autographed copies of their work all the time.
Your problem first problem is collecting the money. Does he trust you and send
the money in advance, or do you trust him and send the images in advance. And,
if he does send money in advance, how is he sending it? If it is a check, will
it clear? You will need up to 6 weeks to know that if it is an international
check. Banks clear checks a portion at a time for international checks. If a
check, do not touch any of the sums until the bank has verified that they have a
full authorization from the issuing bank. If the check bounces, you owe whatever
to pulled out of the bank.
It is odd that models promote themselves over the internet, an instant medium,
but do not arrange for themselves to have an instant, scam proof method of
receiving payments. Set yourself up to take payment by credit card. There are
several good services out there that will allow you to run payments through a
website. You know the money is there before you send out prints, Cds,
whatever.
Your second problem: Do you truly own all of your images and have the rights to
sell them. Be aware that going to a studio and purchasing a photo shoot
does not automatically give you the rights to those pictures of
you. In most countries, the photographer or the company the photographer works
for, owns those images even though you paid for them! And most
photographers prohibit a model from reselling those images without explicit
permission and often compensation. So, make certain that it is legal for you to
sell those images of yourself. If you do not have a signed piece of paper saying
that you own all rights to the images, in all likelihood you do not own the
pictures someone else took of you.
Do not release tons of pictures of yourself to anyone. Choose just a few. He
wants everything from your first shoot up. Cds and DVDs full of images are a
no-no. And Cds and DVDs do nothing for a bona fide collector. Collectors need
hard, signed prints. You can sell a 4x6 easily for $9.95 to $19.95. 8X10s from
$14.95 up to $50.00.
You seem to have your money exchange figures wrong, though, Catherina. 150
rupiah is not $15 US. It is 1.6 cents U.S. by today's exchange rate. The numbers
I cited above in Rupiahs would be: (4x6) 93,505.15 Rp to 187,480.18 Rp and
(8x10) 140,492.67 Rp to 469,875.15 Rp. As of 12 a.m., Monday, January 21, 2008
(your market has been open for three hours) your currency is trading at 1
Indonesian rupiah = 0.000106 U.S. dollars.
There are legitimate collectors out there and then there are scam artists like
Cheri's mom ran into. The only way to insure yourself a fair deal is to get
payment in advance and then send the images out. There are quite a few models
who sell downloads of their images to people who have either bought a membership
to their website or pay per download via credit card. Hard copies (prints) are a
higher charge than digital and autographed hard copies you can charge the most
for.
And make certain you include a disclaimer with every sale that: "These images
are for personal use only. Any sale, distribution or copying (except as a
personal back up copy) is strictly forbidden without permission from the owner."
(Remember that simply selling your picture does not give the buyer ownership
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 ID: 226468 Posts: 1 | Date: 2008-01-21 05:00 I am writing just to say that any agency or scouter that charges money to a
model are defenetly a scam. We agencies exist to provide model work and of
course to take our percentage of their service...and that is it!
Unfortunately because of so many scam, the serious model agencies sometimes lose
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Cheri D. Clark Aka Frenchi |
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ID: 209800 Posts: 460 | Date: 2008-01-21 10:46 Yes, got a guy that wants photos right now. Lately, more scams that legit it
seems. I wish I were wrong! I know advice is easy to give to others. But, most
photogs here have never been in a model's shoes-- it is so very hard to trust
strangers. Cheri' has been taken advantage of SO many times. She has more bogus
offers than any other model I have spoken with. In the last week it was a
fashion show, wanted photos, and a catalog shoot. None of them real.. Perhaps
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1589 | Date: 2008-01-21 15:18 I understand fully, Ms Clarke. Young pretty girls+ inexperience + desperate
dreams + disposable income = con men zeroing in like sharks to bloody water.
Models have less rights by law than any other profession in the U.S. Models are
not even considered employees. No job protection, no retirement plan, no sick
leave, no paid vacation, no minimum wage...nothing. Models are contract workers
whose product is very difficult to protect in the digital age.
Without agency representation a model cannot trust buyers and buyers canot trust
models to deliver. And then so many agencies are not what they promise...some no
more than basement operations without a clue but thinking they can find the
right model to launch their success.
What Catherina describes in her first question is not scouting, but rather
brokering. The individual may indeed be a scout, but the service she says he is
advertising is a brokerage. Brokers knows where the casting calls are and sells
the information to models. And indeed, this is information that a model can
obtain for free by keeping an ear to the ground in the local industry.
I do not know how to tell you who to trust. It is a gamble. Bottom line is that
paying money to someone to make money is....illogical! Think about it. In what
other profession or industry would you send off money to someone you do ot know
with the expectation that they will turn around and make you lots of money.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN! Wow...I shouted. I just get frustrated that
over and over again you hear the same exact "I got scammed" complaints from
models. Gee wizz! Do you know why there is such a large scam industry? It is
because the victims are suckers and the victims are greedy.
An FBI agent friend of mine told me "You cannot be scammed if you are not
greedy."
"Whoa! What do you mean? I'm not greedy." That is the thought of everyone when
told that.
Yet an honest appraisal of ones self will reveal that money was given because
you wanted something badly enough to pay for it. And even to
pay for it without thoroughly checking out what you were purchasing.
You cannot purchase super stardom. Even a broad as wealthy as Paris Hilton
learned that.
Models badly want agency representation. They see it as their road to success,
their way of getting out of the TFI world or the 2 cent gigs. When the big
agencies turn them down, they seek out the smaller agencies. When those turn
them down, they enter the shadow world of the scam agencies or the fly by
nights.
Amazingly enough, all the information you need to help protect yourself against
scams is already covered in the articles section of Jurgita.
But people do not like to read. They would rather complain. How can people
protect themselves if they will not educate themselves?
And I maintain my position in my above response: An unrepresented model can make
some money selling images. You must first set up a means of collecting payments
in advance through a means that guarantees the money is real. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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 ID: 162309 Posts: 37 | Date: 2008-01-21 15:43 I've worked with modeling agencies before, and some are shady (ie.
dishonest).
It's like everything else in the business world. You have good ones, and you
have a lot of bad ones. The danger is of course faced by beginners, as they want
to get a head start, but don't have anyone to help.
I cannot say whether or not the people you're talking about are legitimate or
not, but I suggest you do some research.
1) find out who works for them, meet some of these models
2) see if you can attend their shows
3) look around and ask people in the business.
We are all exposed to fraud. Even me too. Our only protection is to be
cautious.
Usually, the legitimate ones will allow you to watch without paying. Or they
will let you know where a public showing is.
The legitimate ones are also , most of the times, the ones who will not
guarantee you anything. I said most of the times, because , if you're in the
business, you will know that nothing is ever guaranteed.
The more they promise, the more they ask for money up front, the more I will be
cautious, if I were you.
Caveat Emptor, as the saying goes, and also, if it sounds too good to be
true,
it is.
Hope that helps. Good luck.
mtp------------
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ID: 209800 Posts: 460 | Date: 2008-01-21 16:18 Yes- some really good info and advice! I never gave anyone any sort of money,
just photos. I really do not know what he did with them. I spoke with a very
reputable company this morning about this very same issue. He owns a modeling
agency and said that the very same guy --who got pictures from us-- did it to
two of his models as well. (Didn't feel quite so stupid then!) Unfortunately, he
tried to get those girls to fly to New York without parent consent.. I do pose a
question to all though:
Why would an indiviudal want photos, represent themselves as a fashion show
coordinator or pretend to be an agency if they were not in it for money? I have
run into all three. They never ask for money. What do they really want?
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1589 | Date: 2008-01-22 11:23 Cheri's Mom:
Some honestly tried to do the right thing for their business purpose and never
got the money together and were ashamed to say so.
Some use the images, misrepresenting them and represented models to others, up
to and including having contact numbers where a receptionist answers claiming to
be the model worked with.
Others post or sell them to websites or print in magazines hoping you never find
the site or read the rag.
Still others...well, this is still a G-rated forum, so just understand that some
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ID: 209800 Posts: 460 | Date: 2008-01-22 07:56 Good Grief! Thanks for letting me in on this. I really need to investigate more
thoroughly in the future...
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ID: 167467 Posts: 463 | Date: 2008-01-22 10:41 what I meant was 150000 rupiah not 150 rupiah. We use the dot (.) to separate
every three zeros so it's actually one hundred fifty thousand rupiah.
Well I guess the second one is really a scam since I don't hear anything again
from him (her) since I ask him more details.
Orsiris: Yes my friend got many casting calls from the 'model
scout'. But sometimes there are problems about the casting calls. We don't know
whether the problem is because of the 'model scout' or because of the casting
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 ID: 209819 Posts: 81 | Date: 2008-01-22 20:40 Bad people do bad things, but, to be fair I can see why a person would be
interested in having a few shots of an attractive model. I have a folder in my
computer that I keep images that I have downloaded that I thought were nice. A
lot of flowers, scenery, little children, trees, artwork and that kind of stuff.
It also has publicity shots of actresses and a few actors. It also has images of
people that I have no idea who they are. They were just nice shots, or
interesting. Sometimes it is the model and sometimes it is something else like
the lighting or scenery or pose. I add to it on a reasonably regular basis and
sometimes I just sit and look through it, kinda like a coffee table book. If
there was an image of a model that I really liked I would pay to add it to my
"book".
However, that being said, I don't think anybody has any reasonable legitimate
reason to want entire photo shoots. You guys are right, something is wrong with
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