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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1499 | Date: 2008-01-24 19:44 Oh, heaven help us all!
My main server went down on Sunday night leaving me in a lurch. Monday I went
out looking for a system to replace it with ASAP. Everywhere I went had only
computers with Vista installed. All the stores told me that by contract they had
to ship back all of their XP machines. So I was stuck.
Well, I purchased the most powerful Vista machine available so that I could hook
my system back up straight away. Oh, Lord have mercy! I had heard the complaints
about Vista but until I hooked the monstrosity up, I had no idea of the pain and
suffering people are being subjected to.
Yes, some of the changes to workflow management are more than welcome and about
time. But the learning curve is serious and I miss a lot about the old XP
interface.
But what bugs me the most is how many programs will not interface properly with
XP. Every time it happens I get a little help blurb popping up explaining oh so
politely that that program was designed for use under an older windows
system.
Good grief! Some of those programs I have been working with for years! Some have
no updates available and others' companies have gone out of business.
The biggest pain is the back ups for my burned out machine. Vista will not
recognize the back up discs! Two redundant hard drives full of my work and Vista
sucks its thumb at them. Tech Support was not help either. They say plug the
drives into an XP machine and copy everything off to DVD. Are they F-ing
insane?!!! Almost a terabyte of information burned to DVDs? I will be at it for
weeks!
And it does not talk properly to my other machines. I plug them onto the network
to serve through the Vista machine and Windows Vista Defender thinks my external
machines are all attackers. Good grief!
4 lost days of productivity so far. How much more is Vista going to cost me
before I get everything back to normal? And what the heck is wrong with
backwards compatibility? Why cannot I read my files, darn it.
Finally, when Vista runs across one of my older programs that it does not like,
the whole screen just goes white. No files will show above the white even though
you can alt tab and see their fancy preview windows. Select them and the window
remains white. Task Manager won't clear the white. Nothing will except a hard or
soft reboot. Lose any unsaved info, people. Wait for windows to check
consistency of your drives. Perhaps this was Microsoft's way of getting rid of
the dreaded blue screen.
Why cannot Microsoft do anything simple?
Yes. I am pissed. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should  |
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 ID: 182203 Posts: 184 | Date: 2008-01-24 19:48 Monopoly..? |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1499 | Date: 2008-01-24 19:58 Microsoft is not a monopoly. They may act in aa monopolistic manner, but they do
not qualify as one since they have competition. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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 ID: 194304 Posts: 68 | Date: 2008-01-24 22:47 Carib Goodies:
Oh, heaven help us all!
My main server went down on Sunday night leaving me in a lurch. Monday I went
out looking for a system to replace it with ASAP. Everywhere I went had only
computers with Vista installed. All the stores told me that by contract they had
to ship back all of their XP machines. So I was stuck.
Well, I purchased the most powerful Vista machine available so that I could hook
my system back up straight away. Oh, Lord have mercy! I had heard the complaints
about Vista but until I hooked the monstrosity up, I had no idea of the pain and
suffering people are being subjected to.
Yes, some of the changes to workflow management are more than welcome and about
time. But the learning curve is serious and I miss a lot about the old XP
interface.
But what bugs me the most is how many programs will not interface properly with
XP. Every time it happens I get a little help blurb popping up explaining oh so
politely that that program was designed for use under an older windows
system.
Good grief! Some of those programs I have been working with for years! Some have
no updates available and others' companies have gone out of business.
The biggest pain is the back ups for my burned out machine. Vista will not
recognize the back up discs! Two redundant hard drives full of my work and Vista
sucks its thumb at them. Tech Support was not help either. They say plug the
drives into an XP machine and copy everything off to DVD. Are they F-ing
insane?!!! Almost a terabyte of information burned to DVDs? I will be at it for
weeks!
And it does not talk properly to my other machines. I plug them onto the network
to serve through the Vista machine and Windows Vista Defender thinks my external
machines are all attackers. Good grief!
4 lost days of productivity so far. How much more is Vista going to cost me
before I get everything back to normal? And what the heck is wrong with
backwards compatibility? Why cannot I read my files, darn it.
Finally, when Vista runs across one of my older programs that it does not like,
the whole screen just goes white. No files will show above the white even though
you can alt tab and see their fancy preview windows. Select them and the window
remains white. Task Manager won't clear the white. Nothing will except a hard or
soft reboot. Lose any unsaved info, people. Wait for windows to check
consistency of your drives. Perhaps this was Microsoft's way of getting rid of
the dreaded blue screen.
Why cannot Microsoft do anything simple?
Yes. I am pissed.
I agree with you 100%. I reviewed and tested vista when it first hit the market
through an IT friend of mine who had access to advanced copies downloaded on
some of his high end laptops. I consider it an unfinished piece of garbage. It
was prematurely released to the public because of contractual comittments that
Microsoft was already well beyond in their completion deadline. It was never put
through the rigorous quality control testing that was supposed to be implemented
before being released. And the fact that all the stores told you by contract
that they had to return the XP systems is not completely correct. I believe they
told you that, but their contracts are with the distributors and manufacturers
of the equipment not with Microsoft. Microsoft likes to strong arm the computer
manufacturers into promoting their new software with trade back incentives.
These incentives are then more or less like an "offer you can't refuse" given to
the dealers. You are one of many that this sub-par system was forced upon. I use
the latest XP Professional version and you can still order this version loaded
into your preferred brand of computer direct from the manufacturer. Good luck
and take care.
once upon a time.
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 ID: 202237 Posts: 34 | Date: 2008-01-24 23:34 Oh my God, Dominic, you are a GENIUS  
Thank you, thank you, thank you for that post! Your comment about Microsoft
rushing the product to market and Microsoft the
dealers into returning the XP systems triggered a brainstorm in my
head....and it worked!!!!
It should have occurred to me. After days back and forth with a by-the-script
tech support guy somewhere in the third world, it comes down to you triggering
the answer to my problem.
The route to the answer was threefold and, like the FBI standing dumbfounded on
9/11, the clues were right there all along.
1) The new systems being shipped with Vista do not have the wide flat IEEE
cables. They have a thin, straight shot cable that clips into the backs of the
new model of hard drives. Those drives do not have an IEEE port.
2) My old hard drives do not have a port for the new fangled cable. They talk
using a slower, older and clunkier system.
3) USB connectivity through an external drive bay was forced. Vista could not
read all the partitions on the hard drive. Only the emergency restore partition
whose instructions are hard wired into the drive.
So, what do I see: Three different types of cable systems translating
information to each other in different forms. Three points for a language
failure to occur. Almost like whispering a rumor...each ear it passes through
hears the tale a little differently so that by the end of the rumor mill, the
story is totally unrecognizable to the initiator.
Well, Microsoft is buying up all the old-style XP systems on the market. Why go
through that expense? Those XP systems have their operating systems already
contracted and paid for to Microsoft through the manufacturer. It is not just
the software for Vista...Vista is talking to a whole new breed of super
efficient hardware.
I decided to see if the problem was in the way the USB drivers talked to two
radically different methods of reading drives. USB requires some intriguing
software to run and also has problems with some devices if the power demands are
too high.
So, I switched to firewire, a more dedicated way for storage mediums to
communicate.
And what do you know!?!?! My missing drive sector appeared! Holy Moley
Guacamole! The problem lay in how USB talks to the new wiring through Vista. And
if you scratch as many of the old machines as you can off the market, you do not
have to worry about writing a complicated USB solution to the problem.
Well, that is my guess anyways.
All I know is that right now as I type I am recovering all of my information off
of the old drives. And quickly...before Firewire discovers that it should not be
working! 
Thank you again, Dominic. A dozen HUGE kisses!  |
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 ID: 183878 Posts: 971 | Date: 2008-01-24 23:56 It's my understanding that many people are buying copies of XP and installing it
in their new computers.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1499 | Date: 2008-01-25 00:18 Yes, Charlie, a lot of people are doing that. Good going, Microsoft! They know
what they are doing. You have to buy new copies of XP for each
computer (or buy a multi-license) since XP is not transferable from one computer
to another. Nor will one CD/DVD installation work twice since your computer's ID
is recorded with Microsoft. Microsoft is going to make its money no matter
what.
The more I tinker with Vista the more I am seeing features I like. A frigging
steep learning curve, though, for those used to XP. Too many radical changes at
one time, but most are for the better.
I remain pissed at Microsoft for not coding so that my old programs will run
without problems. Some programs cannot even access the registry because Vista
has changed it so drastically. Microsoft will say the changes were needed to
thwart the old style of computer attacks. Well, Vista attacks were out before
Vista was!
I doubt Microsoft will work to address the compatibility problems. It is much
cheaper for them to let outside programmers show how smart they are by writing
fixes themselves and distributing them free. Microsoft has its own slave labor
force who happily and merrily go about believing they are outsmarting the
computer god.
One thing...this system is blindingly fast. Some hiccups...like the white screen
and now, the occasional screen going black while Vista thinks about something
and then restores everything back to working order. My linking to other systems
on my network is slowing Vista down, though. Intriguing in a sad sort of way.
My biggest irony is that it took me until today to solve the problem. Had I
waited until Tuesday after holiday to order an XP system through the mail it
would have arrived today. Me and my rush to get back up immediately.  Oh,
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ID: 183878 Posts: 971 | Date: 2008-01-25 09:59 In a way, I'm glad you've taken the plunge (although not because you've had
problems) because no one I know here is buying a new computer and I can't get
any feedback or first hand information (certainly not from sales people). You
are performing a public service for the rest of us and, perhaps, lead to more of
us trying it out.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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ID: 194304 Posts: 68 | Date: 2008-01-25 11:56 You know what really adds insult to injury? Microsoft profits are up 79%.
once upon a time.
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| Date: 2008-01-25 12:09 Not saying there arent problems with the new Vista .. i wouldnt know i havent
tried it. but you gotta look at it from Microsoft and Bills Gates perspective..
they need to maintain they're income and are doing a good job of it by forcing
us to purchase XP and only making the consumer able to register it to one pc.
Not saying that this is legal or anything.. but im sure there are burned copies
floating around ? |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1499 | Date: 2008-01-25 15:58 Kimberly S.:
Not saying there arent problems with the new Vista .. i wouldnt know i havent
tried it. but you gotta look at it from Microsoft and Bills Gates perspective..
they need to maintain they're income and are doing a good job of it by forcing
us to purchase XP and only making the consumer able to register it to one pc.
Not saying that this is legal or anything.. but im sure there are burned copies
floating around ?
I agree with any company's right to make money. After all, that is what keeps
the economy growing and creates more jobs for us in this industry. Microsoft is
a massive purchaser of advertising and creative content. Through Microsoft,
believe it or not, models have jobs, photographers have work and graphic artists
have assignments. More power to Microsoft in making a legitimate buck.
Just give me something valuable for my buck and something that is more
productive than troublesome. Vista, it seems, takes some getting used to. I
learned some of the mechanics of the system in my troubleshootings. Vista has
security up the whazzoo, for one. Yes, people have developed malicious bugs to
try and penetrate the system, but Vista seems to be well capable of fending them
off. The FBI says that a new computer on the internet, if left unprotected, will
be infected within 30 minutes.
I like fooling around and testing things. The first computer I had was back in
1976 when desktops were still being made in garages. That same year I was
after-schooling at the University of Florida and dialing into the
internet/ARPAnet. We were writing our own code everyday just to start the
machines. Without hard drives, all our data was stored on cassette tapes...yep,
the same type people used to sell music on. I find it interesting to know where
we were then and what computing has grown into today. Hackers, who were once the
good guys who wrote and shared the code that built today's machine, are now
thought of as bad guys because some few greedy and malicious persons write
nothing but exploits all day. I tend to want to see how far they have gotten in
out-thinking 31 years of coding. Hence, I plugged my machine into the internet
without my standard protections to go fishing.
The FBI estimation was off by about 25 minutes. It was not five minutes before
the first piece of spy ware came knocking at my door.
But all it could do was knock.
Vista...the operating system, not my turned off anti-virus software...detected
the knock and warded it off. Intruder detection is built right into Vista.
Therefore, I have some confidence that Vista is well capable of defending itself
should anything slip through your first defenses such as your anti-virus
softwares and firewalls. Any military man will tell you that the best protection
is to have a strong backfield. Any bug that bursts through the first line
defense of foot soldiers, has to contend with the strong fortifications and fire
power of Vista.
So A+ on the protection side.
On the flip end, when I need to do something in my own system, Vista is still
locked down like the Pentagon. In the Pentagon, if you want to go from one room
to the next, you have to show ID and go through security procedures again. This
is what Vista is like. Every step along the way to diagnose problems and try
solutions, Vista stopped me and asked me 'who are you and what are you doing
there' before letting me proceed. A little disgusting and annoying, not to
mention time consuming, but a good preventative procedure to have in place.
I truly am hoping that this week is just a weaning period that I am going
through. After I get through the initial problems of getting Vista to recognize
and ID my old systems, I hope it is smooth sailing in a stable system.
I wonder how many of those people going back to XP just could not deal with the
weaning? Well, another week or so and I will know for myself.
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No, Kmberly, I would not recommend using a bootleg copy of XP. And yes, it
definitely is illegal. Also, Microsoft will know you have it the moment you go
online. It is not if you will get caught, but rather how long
it takes Microsoft to get around to dealing with you. You are allowed to keep a
copy for backup purposes, but it had better be on only one machine at a time.
Have you noticed that around the mid-XP era, computers stopped shipping with
Windows discs? Instead, the backup software is in a super compressed and
encrypted form in a recovery partition of your hard drive. It is keyed to the
specific components of the mother machine and will not work on any other. This
is why people upgrading from XP machines had to rush back to the store and buy
new copies of XP. Microsoft makes more money per copy on the sale of software to
you than it does on selling the software to computer manufacturers. A Logical
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| Date: 2008-01-25 18:11 F...k Vista and switch on LinuxB-). I'm using Mandriva and that's most friendly
to the user version of Linux, in fact it's graphical environment doesn't differ
from Windows' products, but it has this advantage that you can easily switch to
the text mode and work on it. Unlike fucking Windows, Mandriva doesn't leave any
scripts in BIOS nor on the herd disc - when you are uninstalling it (in Linux
it's called 'killing' the system), you are sure there will be no trace after
it... |
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| Date: 2008-01-25 18:20 Did I mention Mandriva is free? |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1499 | Date: 2008-01-26 10:28 Victoria, I've used Unix since its inception. Linux, Red Hat, Cygwin. Great for
dealing with the bare bones deep technical stuff, system maintenance and even,
gem of all gems, corrupt data recovery from hard drives and improperly closed or
damaged cds/tapes/DVDs/Syquest drives, etc.
While it is an operating environment more stable and dynamically more accessible
than windows (great for servers) it cannot substitute for windows when I have to
interact daily with a world for of Windows using clients.
I use it as a tool for my equipment not as a daily operating system.
And, everything leaves a trace. Hand me your hard drive. I will pull up files
you deleted five years ago...no matter how hard you scrub it clean with
software. Try a high power magnet or microwave.
BTW: Have you seen a quantum recovery demonstration? Scary. Like stepping into a
time warp. Pick a day and time. The drive gets restored to exactly the condition
it was on that day. Freaky. And you heard how we scared the daylights out of the
Brits? They received an Email from a quantum computer before we
sent it. Pretty cool, huh? Being able to record the future. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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| Date: 2008-01-26 09:32 Oh so I see you are a living IT textbook... Yeah, in you age it's possible).
But really, the fact you were using Unix, doesn't give you any idea abt the new
Linux products... It depends on you but I am not using fucking Windows for 2
years so far and though I have to play a little more when installing something,
it's really better than Windows...
And yes, I agree, everything leaves traces but not in BIOS... And Linux leaves
relatively small amount of traces and scripts comparing to any other OS... |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1499 | Date: 2008-01-26 12:17 Yeah, Victoria. I have forgotten ten times more about computers than you will
ever know. Age
hath its privileges.
I miss writing in basic. And the days when we were all rushing to find the most
efficient way to render a curve.
The glory days of DOS 4 which was never released to the public because the
software was just too dangerous. DOS 5 which wiped data on you and DOS
7...finally the magic to the Windows kernel. And somewhere along the line,
Microsoft someone appropriating control of IBM's DOS. The bitter sweet godsend
of Windows 3.1. We sometimes complain so much about Microsoft, our favorite
whipping boy, that we often forget how awful a lot of the competing DOS shells
were in those days. My gosh what a mess Tandy made of their shell and attempts
at word processing. We will leave Amiga alone and other ill fated start ups,
especially one that, when you triggered its DOS shell, interfered with every
other computer in the vicinity by actually disrupting power flow to any
machine's monitor that was plugged into the same circuit breaker. That was
awesome how whenever we wanted to play a practical joke on another programmer we
would plug one of those machines into the same plug socket as that guy's
computer. No hard drives! Data lost. Run or be the victim of a homicide! 
HP sent me a tech support user satisfaction survey as a esult of my asking them
for help. Even their survey is seriously flawed. It asked me if I resolved my
problem. I clicked yes. So next it asks me which of their services helped me
solve my problem. It gives me only two choices...web site help or chat help.
They neglected to put in place a radio icon that said "None". So, I have to lie
to the survey by saying "No, my problem was not resolved" in order to get to the
part of the survey where I can bitch at them for having tech support people who
read prepared scripts rather than being an actual technician who can creatively
approach problem solving.
But I did answer their most pressing question: Did your technician communicate
in good English. Yeesh! 
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More on the tech side of my solution to the hard drive issue. Why no tech
support people did not know this is still a huge mystery. The problem was
directly related to the Serial ATA (Serial Advanced Technology Attachment or
SATA) issue. Information throughput was too fast for the USB cabled drive
housing. Communication is the key. I soved the issue by going firewire, but
there is another cheat through BIOS that may allow better USB 1.1 and 2.0
communication. You have to clock back the SATA speed from 3.0mps down to the
older standard of 1.5mps. This reduces information access speeds and some
multitasking capability but should allow older devices to communicate.
Isn't it wonderful how a two year old drive bay is
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| Date: 2008-01-26 14:32 BTW - I know what's SATA, you may freely use the abbreviation without explaining
what's this<hahaha>. Remember that not all models are on the level of
little rabbits... Though majority, what is visible especially on jurgita
forums... |
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| Date: 2008-01-26 15:09 I bet if I write "fucking windows" in my post It will be deleted...
Oh the joys and advantages of having boobs.
I'd love to see you handle a parking fine Victoria.
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| Date: 2008-01-26 16:38 Yes, you would be deleted... Actually, you should be deleted even if you don't
write "fucking Windows" in your post....
And, yes, having boobs has extremely good influence - on guys...
I never get parking fines btw. |
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