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Hi everyone. i am registered here as a model.. and over the past year or so have been looking into modeling.. however i dont think it is right for me. I think photography is more my style.

I'm currently working with a small point and shoot Kodak EasyShare C360 with 5.0 mega pixels. I realy enjoy working with digital, mainly because i wish to learn more about photo alterations. I want to buy a new camera.. and have been looking at Nikons.. anyone have any suggestions? :)

Also, Here are a few of my most recent photos. All input, comments and suggestions are welcome :)

This photo won 2nd place in a local photography competition for the Close-up catagory in 2006

This photo won 3rd in Close up in 2007

This photo won 1st in the People catagory in 2007

Location: the Grand Canyon

This photo is won 1st in Landscape/Sunset/Sunrise , as well as over all Best in Show Photo in 2007

Florida Palm

Hi Kimberley,

Modeling has a lot shorter career span that photography so if you are looking into either as career options photography can last you a life time. However, it is also something that you can take up at any age. If you are undecided about the 2 then consider that you will only get the opportunity to model for the next 10 years.

Once you get to mid 20's it will very difficult to start a modeling career. You can of course do both as a hobby.

Pics look good for a point and shoot.

Both Canon and Nikon are the best DSLRs to get. Lots of choices of lens and an upgrade path to pro models if you get really serious. Consider the Rebel XTi as a start of model.

Regards Mike

I understand how you feel Kimberly. I am in basically the same predicament. I however, did get a camera...an olympus E 410. Mainly because I was used to olympus from since I get interested in photography. However, the advice that Mike gave you in really good. Just follow your heart. Photography is fun!!!!

The only way anyone ever became a photographer was by loving the camera, loving what is in front of them and seeing the world 24/7 as if through a lens.

Photographers see better than anyone else.

You have to have a passion that makes you want to keep the camera on you every single second. You have to have a memory for light and how to capture it. You have to be a romantic and see the art in everything around.

Continually using the camera is the only way you can start capturing things the way you see it in your mind. Point and shooting can make a technically perfect image, but without someone guiding the camera, it does not know what to take a picture of.

In some ways I feel bad for photographers coming up today. There is something that educates you very quickly when each bum picture costs you time and money. I often miss playing in the chemicals each night, teasing images from glass or plastic negatives and transparencies. You had to be an artist once behind the lens and then twice for the film and print development stage. Teasing a print by warming a certain area with just the heat of your fingertip in the developer took a skill that weeded out the less serious.

I am concerned today that the art is too often being done right in the machine...be the machine a camera or a computer. I have seen some people with accidental good shots that they could not duplicate again if pressed. You have not really been tested until you spend nine hours shooting the same subject in shifting sun and clouds with a set director making tiny little changes and adjustments between each burst of shutters and have to keep the lighting and tone consistent on every image.

Try an exercise like that with your camera and test the ranges of its visibility. Turn day to night and night to day with your camera system alone.

Always experiment, always remember and always strive to capture what your mind sees.

You are off to a great start, Kimberly. Now...show us how much you love your camera...start experimenting.


(Oh, and do move up from that point and shoot. Mike makes a good suggestion for a beginner camera that has good lens and equipment upgrade ability...even into your professional years. I started with Minolta for 35mm and in the digital age migrated over to Canon. 2" work was Hasselblad.)


Is this your camera below?
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Hey, actually I think that is my camera!

:thumbup:

Quite right, Kimberly, and Karl. His selection of your river shot with rainbow was the best shot in the group you've shown.

It was a good idea to get down on the same level as the cat, but the background suffered from too much distraction. That's where you can use the SLRs to view through the lens and examine your depth of field so you can eliminate distractions. In this case a slight change of elevation would have put the cat in an all green bit of grass. As long as you could get the cat to keep looking at you, you would have had a better image. Not to screw with you or suggest that the quick and dirty photoshop changes I made in the example below makes a better image, but it does show what a less distractive background would have done. I'm no magician with photoshop and it's not what my training and experience required as an old news shooter, so I apologize for everything in advance.

Sometimes we have to take what we can get, but if it is possible to shift angles and positions--zoom in or out--we can find a different and possibly better view.

I was just talking with a student photographer about her having to take a basic course in photography with a--horrors--film camera. She was buying an old Nikon N90, not a bad camera, but one that is prone to malfunctioning (it was never meant for pro abuse). The oldtimers hanging around the camera store agreed with her teacher that learning film handling is a good way to acquire a basic understanding of photography. You can certainly become more intimately aware of what goes into the birth of a new image through the use of film. And each frame has a cost in time and money which teaches habits that stand you in good stead, even in the digital world.

Keep at it.
If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try!

Karl. yes that is a picture of my camera lol. its not great.. i curse it sometimes for its lack of ability to zoom! but i do agree with in your oppinion in some repects. it is clear that in the information age we are developing the use of technology more and more in our everyday lives.. this is causing some old techniques to be left behind. With photography..i dont necessarily think its a good thing. its are art in itself to be able to use the chemical alteration processes in a dark room. But i also feel it is an art to be able to use computer alterations to their full effect. I think with photography i would thoroughly enjoy learning to properly use film, dark rooms and chemical transformations as well as learning more about digital alterations

Also, i agree that you need to have a great passion to succeed in photography. and this is partially the reason why i think it would be better for me than modeling. I would gladly carry my camera with me everywhere! but when it came down to going to modeling interviews i wasnt confident in myself in the sense that i would want be photographed all day long.. or even for a few hours. Im not really a center of attention kind of person. Photography allows you to caputure a moment in time in a way that the photographer him/herself hsa viewed the situation.

Charles,
thanks for the helpful comments. i completely agree about the cat picture. i initially wasnt going to enter it in the contest because i was unhappy with the backgroud. and the contest was for ameteurs so alterations of any kind were a no no. I was pretty surprised i got my cat to stay there as long as i did.. anytime i moved she was preparing to get up and run around and play with me. trying different angles would have been nice.. but i think i only got this shot before she moved lol. in the future when taking any photo i will keep it in mind .

Thats funny.. but not, about the photography student. im sure it would be difficult to work with a camera that in some instances wont work for you. It would be very frustrating. I am actually considering taking a two year college photography course. i think it would really be beneficial consider i only really know basic basic things.

P.s. I am very greatful for all the advice both you and Karl have given me. you both have amazing portfolio and are wonderful photographers.

Thanks Mike for the compliment! .. at this point the idea of even attempting to do modeling for ten years.. really doesnt appeal. but thanks for the advice anyways and i will deffinately look into the camera you said to use as a start model. thanks

Thanks Vern! i tihnk you are very beautiful and would have a good chance in modeling :) it would also be nice to see some of your photos if you are able to attach them in the forum

This was taken at Yellowstone National park.

Kimberly S.:

This photo was taken somewhere in southern United States during the drought this past summer. I liked it simply because i had never cows under palm trees before and it was pretty decent considering i took it while we were driving


It is a nice shot, but I hate to tell you this...that does not appear to be one of the drought regions. From the appearance of the vegetation, you are looking at the natural state of that area. One of the things a good photographer does is take notes of everything shot. Memory won't do.

Drought does not mean desert conditions or dry brush. In fact, most deserts on the planet are not in drought areas. There are numerous types of droughts and definitions.

The drought occurring in the southeast United States is what in called a Socioeconomic drought. Cities developed in areas where there actually was sustained rainfall above long-term averages that sustained the growth of the cities and even facilitated the sale and distribution of water across several states. There actually is a meteorological argument going on as to whether or not the reduced precipitation in Georgia over the past five years is a drought or simply a return to normal conditions after decades of above average rainfall.

Socioeconomic drought is characterized as when water reductions affects the health, well-being, and/or quality of life or when it reduces the supply of an economic product. In Georgia right now, you are not really seeing a browning of vegetation. You are seeing a growing population making increased demands for water resources which have been diverted for use in places hundreds of miles away.

If this is the south you seem to have taken a shot typical of the Southern Texas or Arkansas area which typically has greenery only a few short months of the year. Brown or sand does not mean drought. Yet that scene seems more typical of Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Colorado and even large parts of California.

You seem to be thinking of Meteorological drought which is a period of years when rainfall amount is substantially below what has been determined as the normal average for that period of the geological life cycle. Even these types of drought are not always characterized by browning of greenery.

And if you have ever seen wheat or alfalfa fields, it does not matter how much water they get, at a certain time of year they will go brown.

The other two standard types of drought are Agricultural and Hydrological drought. I won't go into the definition of those. But hydrological drought is one of the Georgia arguments.

My main point is that a photographer also has a journalistic responsibility to get facts right and not make assumptions. You see, words and pictures have a powerful sustaining influence and many, many times inaccurate information sticks in peoples heads and gives them the wrong impression which is hard to counter later. The east-west orientation of those hills and the sloping plain is what mostly clued me that your regional identification is off. Plus I drove through the drought affected areas this summer and they were lush and green. Parts of Florida which have not been officially declared as droughted look more browned and desolate.

I like your landscape shots...just remember to log all information accurately since captions have enormous influence and power.
:cantlook: Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should :cool:

Karl,

How did you determine the orientation of the hills to be east - west facing ?

It looks to me that that sun is fairly high in the sky based on the fairly short shadows cast by the tall palms. I would estimate the time at around 10.30 am or 1.30pm, depending on which side of noon the image was taken. This would mean that the sun was currently in a southernly direction (+- 20 degrees). The shadows of the palms run almost parallel to the horizontal plane of the image from left to right, so that would imply that the leftmost side of the image was facing to the south. I would therefore suspect that the hills were more south to north in orientation. That would put to tog facing West when the image was taken. But I'm pretty sure you'll prove me wrong :D

Regards Mike

Mike Jones:

Karl,

How did you determine the orientation of the hills to be east - west facing ?

It looks to me that that sun is fairly high in the sky based on the fairly short shadows cast by the tall palms. I would estimate the time at around 10.30 am or 1.30pm, depending on which side of noon the image was taken. This would mean that the sun was currently in a southernly direction (+- 20 degrees). The shadows of the palms run almost parallel to the horizontal plane of the image from left to right, so that would imply that the leftmost side of the image was facing to the south. I would therefore suspect that the hills were more south to north in orientation. That would put to tog facing West when the image was taken. But I'm pretty sure you'll prove me wrong :D

Regards Mike


Because the sun cannot cast such shadows on a north-south mountain in the southern latitudes where those palms survive in the wild. Put the run east-north-east or west-north-west in early to mid morning or mid to late afternoon. :dunno: I was making a subjective guess. I put the photographer facing north west if afternoon and south east if morning.

Curious, though, at taking another glance at the picture. The palm trees would uphold your time frame. The mountains, no more than 10 to 20 miles distant, tell a different time period. They indicate either earlier in the morning or later in the afternoon than the palm trees do.

Curiouser and curiouser. I am guessing only Kimberly can tell us if she can recall specifically what state she was in. I must confess to never seeing that kind of scenery in the south east United States where the drought is. Plains and then mountains? :dunno: That's way, way west of the Mississippi River.

Someone may prove me wrong. Maybe someone who can identify that range by site? But why do I keep thinking Middle East when I see that picture?
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Carib Goodies:

Curious, though, at taking another glance at the picture. The palm trees would uphold your time frame. The mountains, no more than 10 to 20 miles distant, tell a different time period. They indicate either earlier in the morning or later in the afternoon than the palm trees do.

Curiouser and curiouser. I am guessing only Kimberly can tell us if she can recall specifically what state she was in. I must confess to never seeing that kind of scenery in the south east United States where the drought is. Plains and then mountains? :dunno: That's way, way west of the Mississippi River.

Someone may prove me wrong. Maybe someone who can identify that range by site? But why do I keep thinking Middle East when I see that picture?


LOL. I had exactly the same thought. When trying to calculate the height of the sun I drew an imaginary line from the shadow and the top of the palm. It was at about a 45-50 degree angle. I then did the same for the hills and the angle was much lower at around 30 degrees. It did confuse me but I put it down to the fact that the hills on the mountains would cause a different shadow pattern due to the angle of the slope. As long as the slope was steeper than the angle of the sun then the slope would be in shadow.

As for the scenery I would never have guessed this was the US. I would have said north Africa or Middle East. But that's mainly because I don't see any evidence of signs or golden arches.:pleased:

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