Bad Photographer Or Bad Model? Total results: 18 Pages: 1 [ 1] |
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 ID: 227874 Posts: 13 | Date: 2008-02-03 12:15 Hi there,
Who's fault it is when your photos doesn't show your true self?
Did you picked wrong photographer or maybe the style of the photos doesn't suit
your type of beauty, and the last thing maybe the model cannot pose in the right
way?
And another thing is it possible that a model can't look good in all type of
modeling, that she needs to find a perfect for her image?
Waiting for your comments,
EvaHi my name is Eva i'm25 and from Poland but from two years i live in Dublin,Ireland.
I'm new here and very interested in sophisticated,glamour and artistic athmosphere of photos. In my opinion something that's covered(hidden)sometimes is more interesting than NUDE and visible one.
Please check my prortfolio.
Kind Regards,
Eva K. |
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 ID: 228261 Posts: 31 | Date: 2008-02-03 16:28 i think it really depends on the shot. when you look at the photo usually you
can tell whether or not the shot was taken at a bad angle or whether the model
isnt posing in a way that best emphasizes her body. |
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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1435 | Date: 2008-02-04 00:43 Yeah, um, that would be my fault.
I did not want the photo to show your true self. I wanted the photo to show a
character in a play. An actor who can tempt my audience.
I am not interested in showing your true self. I an my clients want to sell. You
are the tool by which we sell and when we work with you, you have to portray
whomever we want you to be.
Follow my instructions and you will pose correctly. Possibly some photographers
lose patience rather than succinctly explaining their needs. Most models are not
mind readers. We photographers sometimes have to be reminded that the vision we
see in our head is not automatically in the head of the model. We have to
explain ourselves, our concept, our audience to the model in as detailed a
manner as possible.
Now...how quickly will some models understand clearly given instructions? Some
grasp the concept faster than others...some never do.
So, I would give these answer to that question as the fault belonging to both,
depending.
Yes, it is very possible that a model cannot look good in all types of modeling.
A model should figure out what types of modeling best suit his or her abilities,
physical attributes and market location. You are only going to find this range
by shooting various types of shoots with different photographers. It is
something we like to call "experience".
You were supposed to be getting some experience, were not you?
Have you done anything about accepting that TFI offer you received? Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should  |
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 ID: 114641 Posts: 156 | Date: 2008-02-04 04:55 YOU know YOURSELF only from what you see in the MIRROR ...
... this meens, that you see it mirrorwise Tomorrow must be the longest day  because everything is scheduled on it  |
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 ID: 199345 Posts: 356 | Date: 2008-02-04 06:00 Eva,
Are you are asking this question because everyone keeps saying your images are
bad. If so I imagine you are wondering whether we are criticising you or the
photographer.
Well firstly quality of image is the photogs responsibility, that being picture
clarity (in your case your images are very (grainy), sharpness, exposure and
composition.
Your responsibility is to do what the photographer wants. Or if you are paying
for the shoot do what you want. The images in your portfolio regardless of the
poor quality are not images of a model. They are images of a person standing in
front of a camera. A model poses, they place the limbs in different positions.
They create interesting angles and expressions. Everyone of your shots is either
a straight on head shot or one of you standing with you arms straight by your
side. The facial expression is the same in every image and shows no emotion.
You have been asking questions for about a month now, Karl, myself and others
have offered free advice and our time to guide you. Now please act on that
advice, I for one am beginning to lose my patience and this will be my last post
to your questions until I see some progress.
We like to help all new models and spend many hours answering their questions,
but we have to believe that the advice we are offering is being appreciated and
acted on, in your case I'm not sure of either. |
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 ID: 227453 Posts: 28 | Date: 2008-02-04 15:02 Hi all,
a few tips for models and new photographers who loose their temper quickly.
I spend some time searching internet and I found a set of photos with general
posings.
It is a set of 100 photos more or less, that helps me to set model in general
and if I want some changes it is much easier to explain. This way I don't loose
my patience so quickly and model is much more relaxed. |
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 ID: 190489 Posts: 20 | Date: 2008-02-06 20:23 I dont believe in bad models ,maybe bad photographers,you should first choose a
photographer whose work you REALLY like,if you work togheter and the results
doesnt come out well ,just try the next one
regards |
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 ID: 229717 Posts: 3 | Date: 2008-02-11 14:23 I'd say it's the photographer's fault. Because they couldn't see the true self
of the model or they couldn't express it.
I've got a friend who's really pretty but photographers just don't know how to
shoot her, only once I've seen good photos of her. And don't think that the ppl
who have taken her pics weren't pro, quite the opposite. |
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ID: 228261 Posts: 31 | Date: 2008-02-11 19:57 i feel that if a photo turns out poorly it isnt always the photographers fault.
a photographer can only do so much when it comes to explaining how they want the
image to look.
Only a model can portray life and depth through their facial expressions and
'smiling' with their eyes.
A photographer can tell a model to have more life in her eyes and expression,
yet it is up to the model to be able to bring life to the photo.
i've seen tons of photos where the lighting, angle, background and touch-ups are
down very well.. yet the model's expression seems lifeless.. |
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 ID: 231394 Posts: 16 | Date: 2008-02-18 15:44 There are NO bad models... There are only bad photographers... |
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| Date: 2008-02-29 18:09 Hmm it could be a bad photographer if the model is experienced. But if the model
doesn't know what she's doing, odds are it was the model's fault. A model can't
blame everything on the photographer.
-Kylie Ann |
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| Date: 2008-03-13 08:22 In truth you can't make a general statement of who is to blame. It has to be a
case by case call. It can be the photogs fault for not knowing how to capture
it...Even tho they just met and he has no idea what her true self is. Or it can
be the model not knowing how to express her true self. Or even a bad
combination. But as Karl stated I could care less about true self.It is never
what Im looking for in my shots. I need a pose and expression not "inner
beauty". Don't mean to be shallow, but it is true.
I dont like Tammeras comment above about her friend who cant get a good pic.
Unfortunitly there are a lot of pretty women who simply dont photograph very
well. The simple process of taking her 3D face and making it 2D does not work
equally well for every model. I have tried a lot of very pretty models but the
results were not good. On the other hand I have had some regular returning
models, that on the street you would have a hard time thinking they would even
be considered as a model. They are not ugly in real life, but I would call them
plain or normal. But when you get them on film... WOW!!! This is where the term
" The camera loves you" comes from.
And your question of a model looking good in all types of modeling. No, most
dont look good everywhere. And they should learn where they look the best. Just
like even the best singers dont sound good in every style of singing. But they
know where they fit and stay there. A model should know her self the same way.
And not get her self jobs where she knows it wont work. |
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 ID: 221110 Posts: 3 | Date: 2008-03-19 18:08 A good picture is a team job, photographer is supposed to be the team leader but
model can sometimes have the right inspiration if he/she strongly feels
something. How do you feel about yourself? Do you exactly communicate what you
feel about yourself? Keep it up! |
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 ID: 162309 Posts: 37 | Date: 2008-03-23 14:04 It's a good question. There are great photographers who still make some ugly
photographs of beautiful women,
and there are ordinary photographers who make some impressive photographs.
Personally, I would say, look at the portfolio of the photographer.
Are all his photographs flattering to the models? If majority is yes, then I
would say it's the model. If most of his photos, posed or unposed, make the
models look terrible. I would say it's the photographer. Just because you make
money as a photographer or have a studio doesn't mean you're a good fashion
photographer.
Studio and ramp fashion are different. One is set lighting be it butterfly,
light box, reflector,etc.. and predictable and you can sit and observe the
catchlight,etc...before taking that portrait; the other is very dynamic and you
have to shoot fast, and know when to shoot.
Then there's what makes the best fashion shots ever. That's the rapport between
me, the photographer, and you the model. We have to be compatible, like a
marriage, like a football team, like tennis doubles. We have to like each
other's style.
Many times, I even end up telling the models to go elsewhere because I do not
think we can work together. Maybe it's my impression she's not my type of model,
or she feels I 'm not her type of photographer.
As many people tell me, they feel comfortable with me, and even some who were
not models tell me I make them look like a model. Others say that if I can make
a simple animal or a bird look so good, then I guess I have the eye to look for
the beautiful side of my subjects.
I hope this answers your question. As for me, I am still waiting for the perfect
model.
Like Cecil Beaton in those great movies he produced in the old Hollywood
days,
or Richard Avedon, we all have a favourite.
Me? I am still looking for Audrey Hepburn during her Breakfast at Tiffany days,
LOL
Happy Easter.you provide the character, and i will take care of the rest to capture your persona. |
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ID: 162309 Posts: 37 | Date: 2008-03-24 12:57 hi Eva ,
afterthought, on re-reading some of the good advices from the other
photographers here:
1) yes, do ask to see lots of photographers' portfolios. study them, is the
photographer always posing the same way, lighting the same, using a specific
lens regardless of the model's physical features. you can tell by the
foreshortening and the depth of field which lenses they apply.
2) true, the responsibilty to pose is the model, the responsibility to capture
the shot is the photographer's. however, even if a model is inexperienced, a
knowledgeable photographer will have a quick eye to catch the unflattering
features, and correct the model's pose.
it's not just rapid shooting like the movie "blow up" with just the photographer
saying repeatedly, "that's good, that's good, 3...2...1 "
if it were that simple, we would all become fashion photographers , lol
3) do your own homework. as a photographer, we do lots of rechecking and
revising our techniques and learning new things,applying it, and catching it.
as a model, you too have to do your homework, much like a ballerina who
practises in front of a mirror... a full length mirror. a good model knows her
good side, where her sagging parts are :P and how to cover that...with eg her
hand, a veil, a wrap,etc.
and the photographer should know how to retouch (or photoshop, if digital, to
burn in those areas and enhance her best features,etc.. it's all about
camouflage ...
to lead the eyes away from what you don't want seen, and to draw the eyes to
your great features by your poses,etc.
4) finally, you said, is it that i can only be a good model in a certain pose or
style?
or words to the effect.
no, a great model can look good in anything... in absolutely nothing, or even a
plastic garbage bag. she projects herself into the persona she creates.
if you study the best models, you will see they have a portfolio of them looking
like a mature lady, a child, a fairy,etc... that's what makes the model so
incredible.
she is an actress in front of the camera. you live your persona, and it will
project in your body and your eyes! remember, as cecil beaton once said, "if
it's not in the eyes,
it's not a smile!" work on that. good luck.
sorry i took up some much space. i'm in a cheerful mood today. it's spring, at
last, you provide the character, and i will take care of the rest to capture your persona. |
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 ID: 196690 Posts: 58 | Date: 2008-03-24 21:39 Hi Eva,
Photographs or modelling does not meant to show your 'true self' anyway. Refer
to Carib's post. |
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 ID: 235463 Posts: 8 | Date: 2008-05-09 20:47 First of all, you must remember that the rule of thumb is one printable
photograph per 24 prints. That said, I myself like to try to make the model look
better on film than he or she looks in real life. I like to work as a team with
models. Keep a model happy and the frames will always look good. |
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 ID: 242721 Posts: 10 | Date: 2008-05-13 15:52 I am joining in on tis late I realize, but I agree with one statement, "there is
not a bad model; but it is a bad photographer." Assuming a real photographer (as
opposed to someone who thinks or calls themselves one) knows all the technology
to get the image on film (or digitally) the rest of the photographers job is to
find out from you , what it is you are looking for. Many of my clients would
never tell me what they really wanted! The photographer must make you
comfortable, correct your pose for the lens, and get the expression or variety
there of to siute what you are looking for.
I had clients come to the studio and tell me right off they hated having their
picture taken, and often had nudes done before they left. They then told me it
was the biggest confidnce booster, and the most positive experience they had
ever had. WOW what a compliment to me.
Look for a better photographer. |
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