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 ID: 181346 Posts: 101 | Date: 2008-03-23 19:03 Recetly I had some interesting thoughts about issue shown in title so i would
really like to hear especially models about experiences, good and bad things
about "getting into something with model / agent".
Now just to clarify im not a scout but a creative publisher director - what
makes me scout actually. Usually i have to visualise commercial or just a photo
(recently even video) and find appropriate model for it. Presence is required at
shooting also, since i have to navigate photographer and model how to take a
photo/pose to satisfy "1000 words" needs. Not to mention lots of talks, calls
and conversations with models before preparement and chats during shootout or at
a coffee break or similar. There is lot of situations for getting much closer to
model's heart, or for model to agent's anyway.
During dozens and dozens of similar situations i guess its normal to feel a
sympathy for some model or otherwise, model for agent. Now, during these tasks i
always found kinda stupid to get onto model no matter who triggers sympathy - I
always thought that models are up for career and just want to earn and work, so
no matter sympathy or not ive been always strictly professional. Even protective
if some other subject like journalist or photographer tried to "get into
something" LOL just for model to feel confortable and secure in professional
circumstances until she leaves office/studio with job done.
Anyway somewhat while browsing jurgita.com its possible for me to find a girl I
like but maybe not to call for job. I guess that another side of flirtzone here.
So actually i somewhat wonder how models looks at getting of agent closer
knowing his attentions or not 
Actually i think this all topic covers lot of uncovered and interesting
situations so im also courious about their experinces  ))
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 ID: 182744 Posts: 1430 | Date: 2008-03-25 13:34 Personal emotions can occur anytime two people spend a lot of quality time
together. Mutual emotions are different from thoughts of "Wow, she's hot. I
wonder f she puts out?".
Interpersonal relationships in a business setting are a very tricky thing and
carries a huge amount of risk. Typically, you cannot exercise true command
authority over someone you are dating. The mutual respect demanded within a
successful relationship in most instances cannot bear up under the managerial
structure of a work place. How do you give a command or chastise or correct your
mate in a work environment? One should never countermand, bring aspersion upon
or engage in conflicts with a lover in public. How, then, is this same principle
upheld in a work situation?
There is a very fine line between asking a co-worker or employee out on a date
and sexual harassment. Many times one person believes the asking is innocent
while the other interprets it as harassment. The thin line becomes even more
narrow when you cross agents, scouts, etc. with models. If the model says 'no'
will it jeopardize current or future jobs?
Sexual harassment laws say it is illegal to withhold work, pay or promotions
from someone because of a refusal to date or engage in sexual activity. The
reality in the modeling world has been that it is virtually impossible to prove
why a person does or does not get a gig.
Because a model is not a client of a scout, we do not have the same restrictions
that psychiatrists, doctors, lawyers, etc. do regarding fraternization. Indeed,
to be successful in this industry, a certain amount of fraternization must occur
in the form of networking. However, this does not give permission for sexual
advances.
Nor does mere participation in the Flirt Zone. Yes, relationships are permitted
among industry professionals and talents. It is a tricky proposition and both of
you better be on the same page regarding what is happening or there will be
confusion. If, for instance, a model indicates that they are seeking a date,
this does not necessarily mean that they are seeking to date you. It does
mean that there is no harm in asking...politely...and respecting whatever answer
you get. Respect is a major part of any relationship and, online or in the night
club, people should be treated the same.
Even with sexual harassment laws, asking a person out on a date once is allowed.
It is the second asking after a rejection that can become problematic.
I believe that first and foremost all the models here are looking to earn an
income. Relationships come second. Just as you would not make off color remarks
or propositions to someone sitting next to you in a office so too should you
refrain from doing so on-line. Get to know the individual first, make friends.
If it naturally moves beyond friendship, fine. If not...never force the issue.
Friends are valuable. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should  |
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ID: 181346 Posts: 101 | Date: 2008-03-25 19:12 hmmmmmmmm... very deep info about this issue and thank you CG. but unfortently
no words occured in this topic from models about their experiences. and i think
this topic is really interesting.
now if model takes out camera from photographer and take some pics of scout for
her home personal use and says that quote louldy in the studio i guess that
means something. but no matter that scout should hold his emotions for job to be
done so model can feel in comfortable and professional area - not to be harassed
in anyway shortly.
but also can be wierd to tell someone who likes you and otherwise "that youre
done and thank you" just because there is a "condition barrier" between i
think.
but nm since topic is quite emtpy i guess its just me :P |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1430 | Date: 2008-03-25 23:49 For that matter...how do you start a relationship with a model as a scout or
agent and tell her that you will not be picking her to audition?
I had a situation once where my wife joined a volleyball team that I was
coaching. One day I had to pull her out of the game because her performance was
off. Oh, Lord, was I punished for that move.
So, tell me, in your opinion, do you think that a scout or agent's neutral
judgment would be altered by diddling the goods? Heck, even drug dealers know
better than to sample their own product.
As far as a model loudly proclaiming that she wants pictures of a scout for
personal use...that is a variation of a very, very old trick. Model makes scout
thinks she likes him. Scout bends over backwards getting model jobs. 
Not too many  on either side of this business.
Just remember that...it is a business...and one that too often uses sex, the
threat of sex or the promise of sex as a tool for advancement or advantage. A
scout or agent should know better than to get suckered into that trap.
Maybe that is why homosexual scouts and agents do better in this business. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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ID: 181346 Posts: 101 | Date: 2008-03-26 05:35 Carib Goodies:
As far as a model loudly proclaiming that she wants pictures of a scout for
personal use...that is a variation of a very, very old trick. Model makes scout
thinks she likes him. Scout bends over backwards getting model jobs.
i covered facts that thing happened after job done and i had 2 months of calling
to go out also. and there is much more to tell you but nm! :PPPPPPP and not only
once!
very pesimistic. cute girls can have very big heart. and they can smile because
of you! and they can found heart much more important then anything. girls
deffend me a bit here Carib is giving me some serious slack haha LOL
ps: besides the point is not about sex actually but emotions in business  |
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ID: 181346 Posts: 101 | Date: 2008-03-26 05:47 what im trying to say is fact that girls are models doesnt mean that they are
career monsters actually LOL |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1430 | Date: 2008-03-26 10:53 Joseph Mlinaric:
what im trying to say is fact that girls are models doesnt mean that they are
career monsters actually LOL
They are not? Ever been back stage during a beauty pageant? Some girls bare
their fangs but those are not the ones who scare me. It is the ones who are all
smiles and sugar and cream that send shivers down my spine. The CIA has no
sneaky tricks that can compare to the stealth and cunning of a model seeking a
prize!
OK, OK...I am setting myself up for one heck of a femme bashing.
No, not all girls are like that. And fire cannot burn you if you respect it.
Emotions are an electro-chemical response to a stimuli. Girls release pheromones
that cause chemical changes in the male body and brain. Often times this
chemical output is so powerful that it overrides the conscious mind's ability to
exercise good judgment. When out of chemical range women have other methods of
corralling a mate or protector. Men are also very susceptible to visual and
auditory stimuli. A girl's beauty, how she holds her body, what movements she
makes, how she adorns herself, how she keeps her hair, what her voice sounds
like. Closer in men crave a soft touch making a model's hands very important.
The job of a scout is to find women who demonstrate these traits better than the
majority of women. Scouts, agents, photographers, etc. are immersed on a daily
basis in the best of the best of the female species. We are not immune from the
pull of nature. We cannot be or we will not be able to identify those females
with mass appeal. We have to be stronger than the average man and be able to
detect, analyze and counter a female's effect upon us.
Hence, no matter how much it hurts emotionally, we have to maintain a neutral
stance regarding relationships in our work.
Yes, indeed one can run across the woman who will be a soul mate on the job. But
how do you know and what do you risk? How does one determine if one is being
played or if the woman is being genuine? Do you know whether you are attracted
to her body or to her soul? Can your reputation as a scout, agent or
photographer withstand a work relationship? What happens in the event of break
up? Does a scorned woman trash you in the industry?
Too many questions, too much risk and too much chance that work judgment will be
compromised.
But yes, I am interested in what models think of this issue. I know that there
are models who have had affairs at work and it would be informative to know how
those relationships started, continued and/or ended. Was it worth it for the
model? Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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ID: 181346 Posts: 101 | Date: 2008-03-26 13:41 Carib dont get me wrong but im missjudged here hardly; of course women can use
her beauty for some certain aim - like career (as we can use our power) but im
not attracted by that character. And no matter this silly words you can find
here, trust me I more than capable to judge people, especially what they want
LOL.
But.... major point of this topic is something completly different.
This all topic is kinda sad actually at the end because you must tell someone
"goodbye" because etics/profession of your job requires it - in cases where you
should do (and it was expected) otherwise.
Btw Im sure im not the only one with that thoughts here but lets just say i am
**
ps: i have a friend in germany he is some hot shot producer in TV industry. he
spent all his life in hotels, airplanes, infront of cameras and lighning
completly - alone. and he is 54.. thats what career requires i guess 
and that much about mestakes |
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ID: 182744 Posts: 1430 | Date: 2008-03-27 01:49 Well, Joe, only a liar will say that he is not affected by beautiful ladies
posing in front of him every day. We are all human and all have human
yearnings.
What creates the ultimate professional, I guess, is the man who can continually
rise above temptation and not be distracted from the work in front of him. A pro
will instantly make a judgment call based upon a model's capabilities and
willingness to work and the clients at hand. Ultimately our role is like the
door man at an exclusive night club. We select only those who have convinced us
that they are suitable to be presented to a client. Our role is not about
searching for a future wife. Indeed, that future may just walk into your office
and I guarantee that that is when you will have to rely most upon your
professional abilities.
One thing...the wife of a man is this business has to be a strong and trusting
woman. She has to kiss you good bye every morning as you go to a job where there
will scantily clad women trying to convince you that they are the most beautiful
in the world.
Indeed, like your 54 year old, we do make some tough sacrifices for the career. Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should |
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