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 ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-17 17:46 Live and let live is what I said when the british government started on a
crusade to allow civil partnerships between gay men & lesbian women, but why not
give them the same rights to full marriage like we hetrosexual people have?
Just for the record I'm hetrosexual (that's straight by
the way) |
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 ID: 204293 Posts: 78 | Date: 2008-07-17 18:48
haha you too much sir.................I am of the mind that the same gender
relationships......including marriage is fine.........
and so long as they be law abiding is only their issue ..................my mums
church here is very not like that...........male and female only.............no
divorce......
very staunch................. |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-17 20:33 I've got to admit something here, if anyone asks usually I say I have a sister,
well...
I have 2 sisters, both younger than me, the older one is a lesbian, that's
nothing to do with why we go for long times not talking! usual brother sister
stuff
She hates people that call women "gay" instead of lesbian! her girlfriend's
pleasant enough though, but I really don't mind at all as it's her choice |
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ID: 204293 Posts: 78 | Date: 2008-07-17 21:27
I think that happens in all families Gary............My uncle prefers men to
woman.......he paid for his preference with family manipulating
him..............his older brother ( another uncle ) stayed in California
because it was easier.......even when he died his family didnt want to know of
his activities in the states.............hmmmm
I love both my uncles and I am sad that they coudnt be themselves........... |
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 ID: 183878 Posts: 1174 | Date: 2008-07-18 10:11 I shot a gay wedding four years back. It was not sanctioned by the state, but
had a Unitarian female minister and all the trimmings of a garden and pool
wedding. Both guys had previously been married to women and had children of
various ages up to the teens.
It was an interesting experience, but it is difficult to see what the point of
it all is. Will they really cherish each other forever or will they fight over
some distraction and break up? Who knows?
Are they really commited enough to stay together into old age and illness. Can
the bond between men be as strong as between parents (even divorced parents)?
Come to think of it I have a couple of male friends that, should they show up on
my door sick, I'd probably take them in and care for them because, without any
sexuality involved, they are people dear to my heart, brothers in blood from
tougher times.If I haven't been there, I'm still planning on going!
If I haven't done it, I've still got time to try! |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-18 15:42 Now here's one church that's so against it... the Russian orthodox!
I'm a straight man myself, I say live and let live... but in Russia it's illegal
to even show an interest in the same sex, so backwards in my opinion
In britain our society is moving closer to total equality, lesbians & gays can
enter civil partnership, closest to marriage they can get for now though the
government may be granting them ful marriage rights no matter what the church
thinks
But Russia... the economy over there ma be booming right now but Russian society
seems so backward & out of date |
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 ID: 228723 Posts: 149 | Date: 2008-07-18 21:48 i have to put in my friend's insight actually. He's gay by the way.
He actually wasn't for it. I was surprised at first, and then I asked him why.
He said, it isn't for others to impose on the beliefs of any religion. Since
marriage is considered holy in many religions, then why should people think they
have the ability to marry when in one's respected holy book, it is written that
you can't?
In that light, i can agree with him. But it's more complicated when people were
raised with that religion and then are gay. But really,
who would want to be part of a religion that already says all homosexuals are
going to hell? I'm originally from the Bay Area, California (San Francisco
area), and i grew up there for half of my short life. It's a really liberal
place. Everyone probably knows about the recent marriage law made for
homosexuals. After getting myself out of a liberal bubble and being in an entire
different country, talking to people from all over the world, I'd say, my views
have changed a bit. Though i can't say if i'm for it or not... since i'm not a
religious person. I'm a silly agnostic girl... ironically raised by an
Episcopalian (Church of England) Reverend. So I know my Bible stuff.
If you wanna know the politics of the Episcopal church, a few years back a gay
Reverend was elected to be Bishop of a certain diocese. Though it caused a bit
of a split in the church... |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-18 22:33 If men & women are equal, maybe it's time equality was given to all in full
and maybe religion should accept the change
I'm straight & still standing up for others who are not! |
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 ID: 155195 Posts: 668 | Date: 2008-07-21 01:27 I don't really think its right to legalise such.
It doesn't sound right, though people have the right to shoose whom ever they
want to spend the rest of their lives with but joining them in church as husband
and wife will be really ridiculous.
I have nothing agaisnt them, i just felt its not right to happen in church. If
they could go to a registry or something to get marries, taht will be fine.
And talking about right with heterosexuals, sure they can have same but it will
never be a full one. The christian will always kick against that.
Libby |
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ID: 228723 Posts: 149 | Date: 2008-07-21 02:04 Gary Young:
If men & women are equal, maybe it's time equality was given to all in full
and maybe religion should accept the change
I'm straight & still standing up for others who are not!
I think the main problem is that the people of a religion can change... but its
holy book cannot. For example, in Revelations in the Bible, it straightforwardly
says that no one can change, edit, alter the words of God. They also aren't
allowed to write a new version of the bible. Religion is all about traditions
that are, in the best way they can, unchanging no matter what the times or
zeitgeist is. So even if the people change slightly, according to the book it
may be a sin. So if you want the book to change, you're gonna have to go through
hell and heaven to get it. |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-21 05:36 Miko Hayashi:
[Gary Young: ...]
I think the main problem is that the people of a religion can change... but its
holy book cannot. For example, in Revelations in the Bible, it straightforwardly
says that no one can change, edit, alter the words of God. They also aren't
allowed to write a new version of the bible. Religion is all about traditions
that are, in the best way they can, unchanging no matter what the times or
zeitgeist is. So even if the people change slightly, according to the book it
may be a sin. So if you want the book to change, you're gonna have to go through
hell and heaven to get it.
I'm straight! but I'm not against other people who are homosexuals
though!
The only 3 places in the west in the northern hemespere where religion still
plays any part in law making as far as I'm aware are Portugal & Ireland where
the catholic church seems to have politics on a leash & collar, and of course
America, where christianity of many forms seems to taint individual state laws,
though some states in America have given full marriage rights to all no matter
what your sexuality, which is better than the british arrangment
It doesn't affect me as I'm straight but it's time equality went before
religion
A lot of religious groups would even see it as a sin if I was to even be
friendly to a woman of a different culture, colour, religion from the one they
preach...
and I'm non-religious! is that fair? NO!
So maybe the governments of the world should step on top of church leaders...
after all it is the 21st century and they want US to live in the
16th? |
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 ID: 246345 Posts: 599 | Date: 2008-07-22 05:40 The religion is the second power in a state, with her rules she keep a kind of
order everywhere in this full world. So let's not break this rules and let the
same sex people love , but not married. |
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ID: 228723 Posts: 149 | Date: 2008-07-22 05:50 Religion and state are two seperate things.
Gary, I realize you're straight and i know your position. You've mentioned it
before. And i'm not religious. If you noticed my previous post, my GAY friend
was actually against gay marriage.
Marriage is a religious affair, and it's only recognized by the state for the
sake of taxes and census.
Personally, i'm apathetic towards the whole ordeal. If they want to marry fine,
if they're against it ok. But they shouldn't be bugging someone's beliefs and
then incorporating it into the law since religion and state are two seperate
things. |
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ID: 155195 Posts: 668 | Date: 2008-07-22 08:31 Thats a good one
Libby |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-22 12:30 Marriage is considered a joke by many today anyway as hardly anyone bothers with
it!
and religion doesn't play a part in the running of the UK... the arch bishop
sounds off a lot about this & that being immoral but the government just ignores
what he says anyway
After all... money makes the world go round
As far as I know to date there is gay & lesbian preachers in the church of
scotland by the way |
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ID: 246345 Posts: 599 | Date: 2008-07-23 06:00 Miko Hayashi:
Religion and state are two seperate things.
Gary, I realize you're straight and i know your position. You've mentioned it
before. And i'm not religious. If you noticed my previous post, my GAY friend
was actually against gay marriage.
Marriage is a religious affair, and it's only recognized by the state for the
sake of taxes and census.
Personally, i'm apathetic towards the whole ordeal. If they want to marry fine,
if they're against it ok. But they shouldn't be bugging someone's beliefs and
then incorporating it into the law since religion and state are two seperate
things.
Are not 2 different things. If we go in history , with along time ago,the church
was the first power in a state, the priest was committing alot of crimes in the
name of God, was alot of wars in the name of religion.....today, here in Romania
, in our parlament are priestess who have right to vote for every low here.
But I didn't made references to state like a what is really mean, I express from
state all the people who respect some legal lows, but respect also the church
and religion
My personal I dont have anyting against love whatever existe here on earth, but
lt,s respect a little bit religin also |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-23 08:54 Elena Marin:
[Miko Hayashi: ...]
Are not 2 different things. If we go in history , with along time ago,the church
was the first power in a state, the priest was committing alot of crimes in the
name of God, was alot of wars in the name of religion.....today, here in Romania
, in our parlament are priestess who have right to vote for every low here.
But I didn't made references to state like a what is really mean, I express from
state all the people who respect some legal lows, but respect also the church
and religion
My personal I dont have anyting against love whatever existe here on earth, but
lt,s respect a little bit religin also
Religion and the law are separate things, the church has no legal power of any
form in law making, some church leaders do try their hardest to influence
politics but mainly have no effect
Politics & money are what rule the world, just the simple fact there
Look at the situation between the british prodostant majority & the irish
catholic minority in northern ireland... that was caused by the catholic church
funding the IRA who killed thousands of innocent people in Enniskillen in 1988
and in the more recent Omagh bombings... an excuse for war is all religion
is!
And marriage is no longer the holy institute of marriage any more... it's just a
legal arrangement except in britain where if you get married in the UK under
british laws it's the financial institute of marriage with this 50/50 shared
equity carry on which is biased favouring the women, which is sexist and unfair
on the innocent man who can't live with a cheating liar of wife anymore, who
ends up losing his home, half of the money in his bank accounts and will have to
pay a divorce settlement on top of that when the sexist judge has their way and
the innocent party gets robbed of everything, the labour party brought this
equity garbage in on august 1997 and the amount of marriages fell by more than
75% as a result!
Church? the church is totally powerless in todays society, with the exception
that the Russian PM Vladimir Putin seems to listen too much to the orthodox
churched reccomendations when making decisions! |
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 ID: 247404 Posts: 151 | Date: 2008-07-23 08:58 my thoughts. Who cares. If they wanna get married let them. Why should we stop
them>? Regardless of what the church or the bible says.. Who are they to
judge? Treat others as you wish to be treated, yet they dont practice what they
preech.
Regardless of gender all parties should be able to live life happy. If that
means marrying male male, or female female so be it. |
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ID: 155195 Posts: 668 | Date: 2008-07-23 10:50 The room is quite hot with this.
I really don't agree that the church is powerless now adays.
Even if its not part of the people in power, it can still go to the extent of
making somethings happen. As you know, the percentage of christian in this world
is up to 60%, so people will always support the church.
I think it will be better if they can create something else for them but not to
be married in the church.
Its like going against the rules and regulations of a country. We have
commandments in the bible and this has to be followed.
It will be hypocritical if the commandments or the word of the lord is not being
followed.
Libby |
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ID: 237093 Posts: 1708 | Date: 2008-07-23 12:03 David Leeworthy:
my thoughts. Who cares. If they wanna get married let them. Why should we stop
them>? Regardless of what the church or the bible says.. Who are they to
judge? Treat others as you wish to be treated, yet they dont practice what they
preech.
Regardless of gender all parties should be able to live life happy. If that
means marrying male male, or female female so be it.
So be it! |
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